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VampireOutlaw
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Yes, I would mind because I really, REALLY want people to focus on discussing those two things. So please don't turn this into anything.
Rephrased: Lestat & Jesse and Twilight - which is more realistic?
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VampireOutlaw
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Thank you for replying!
I still think the pairing is the main problem. 'Caude they started to write the script for that pairing's sake and not about the books. They butchered everything in order to make Lestat into a lonely, suicidal individual, who then could use a mortal girl's love to be saved. Somewhere along the way they just messed it all up by keeping in Lestat's absolute yearning for Marius's company and writing the storyline between their so-called lovers, a complete nonsense as in it's supporting Lestat to really hate her instead of fall for her. But the point is, they did write the script to be basically about their pairing, which had them rip into pieces whatever they did borrow from the books. So I think the script probably wouldn't have been that confusing and horrible if they had even tried to adapt the books instead of meaning to write their own cliche vampire/mortal "love story". So I will never stop blaming the Lestat&Jesse pairing for everything that's significantly wrong in the film.
I partly disagree. I agree the maker change alters a lot, and I mean a LOT and would affect Lestat into rematkably different person - but - Magnus and what happened with him, even though a vital thing for the matter - still wasn't even nearly the only thing - and certainly not the main thing - that turned Lestat into who he is today. The psychological bases were significantly all there long before Magnus. Magnus only added a lot to them. Again, I wish to put weight that I do think Magnus was the one needed to make the exact Lestat of the books for many reasons, but the change from Magnus to Marius wouldn't necessarely change him that much. I also don't think Marius was set against turning anyone but I may think wrong as I haven't read Blood and Gold yet, so even if, Lestat would make an exception. I've been thinking and looking into this whole Marius-as-Lestat's-maker matter very, very, VERY in-depth. All about that on my Lestat & Marius fan site ( a link in my signature), in "The Film: Why The Changes?" section, "Lestat's Maker?" part.
If you do choose to read that (which I would highly appreciate) and if you feel like commenting, please do it by private message as this is somewhat going off topic. Or better yet - if you choose to comment on it - consider doing it in that site's guestbook.
Thanks!
I still think the pairing is the main problem. 'Caude they started to write the script for that pairing's sake and not about the books. They butchered everything in order to make Lestat into a lonely, suicidal individual, who then could use a mortal girl's love to be saved. Somewhere along the way they just messed it all up by keeping in Lestat's absolute yearning for Marius's company and writing the storyline between their so-called lovers, a complete nonsense as in it's supporting Lestat to really hate her instead of fall for her. But the point is, they did write the script to be basically about their pairing, which had them rip into pieces whatever they did borrow from the books. So I think the script probably wouldn't have been that confusing and horrible if they had even tried to adapt the books instead of meaning to write their own cliche vampire/mortal "love story". So I will never stop blaming the Lestat&Jesse pairing for everything that's significantly wrong in the film.
I partly disagree. I agree the maker change alters a lot, and I mean a LOT and would affect Lestat into rematkably different person - but - Magnus and what happened with him, even though a vital thing for the matter - still wasn't even nearly the only thing - and certainly not the main thing - that turned Lestat into who he is today. The psychological bases were significantly all there long before Magnus. Magnus only added a lot to them. Again, I wish to put weight that I do think Magnus was the one needed to make the exact Lestat of the books for many reasons, but the change from Magnus to Marius wouldn't necessarely change him that much. I also don't think Marius was set against turning anyone but I may think wrong as I haven't read Blood and Gold yet, so even if, Lestat would make an exception. I've been thinking and looking into this whole Marius-as-Lestat's-maker matter very, very, VERY in-depth. All about that on my Lestat & Marius fan site ( a link in my signature), in "The Film: Why The Changes?" section, "Lestat's Maker?" part.
If you do choose to read that (which I would highly appreciate) and if you feel like commenting, please do it by private message as this is somewhat going off topic. Or better yet - if you choose to comment on it - consider doing it in that site's guestbook.
Thanks!
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Do you mind if we turn this into a Vampire movie thread instead?
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AndLoveYelledNO
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Interesting post, thanks for sharing, The Lestat/Jesse pairing was hardly the main problem with that mess of a movie. The script was confusing. Anyone who is not familiar with the books will be saying "uh?" the whole way through, while those who are familiar will be rocking themselves quietly in the dark.
They changed and/or omitted most of what made the book so intriguing and entertaining. As to why they would create a "love story" where there originally was none is beyond me. I guess they thought it would appeal to the female viewers. And at the time, having such intimate scenes (Like the one at the end of the book) between Louis and Lestat were probably a big no no.
Another reason why this book is so special is because all the characters that the fans love so much, that Anne created so vividly, are reunited. So i suppose it would make sense that the movie left most of them out.
I actually had a problem with Marius being the one to turn Lestat. This is rewriting Lestat's history which turned him into the person he is today. Having been turned against his will and then deserted to fend for himself, that was critical. Not to mention Marius was set against turning anyone, if I recall correctly.
Twilight...well, I think the writing is just awful.
They changed and/or omitted most of what made the book so intriguing and entertaining. As to why they would create a "love story" where there originally was none is beyond me. I guess they thought it would appeal to the female viewers. And at the time, having such intimate scenes (Like the one at the end of the book) between Louis and Lestat were probably a big no no.
Another reason why this book is so special is because all the characters that the fans love so much, that Anne created so vividly, are reunited. So i suppose it would make sense that the movie left most of them out.
I actually had a problem with Marius being the one to turn Lestat. This is rewriting Lestat's history which turned him into the person he is today. Having been turned against his will and then deserted to fend for himself, that was critical. Not to mention Marius was set against turning anyone, if I recall correctly.
Twilight...well, I think the writing is just awful.
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If this topic was deleted because of the Fanpop link, I apologize as I realised only now, Fanpop is a similiar purpose site as this one, I have now left it out and copied the article of mine to this topic. If it was for something else, I'm now making this topic's purpose as clear as I possibly can. This shouldn't be a bad topic.
This topic is not meant to provoke a war of any kind! I wish to critically analyse which pairing and story is better as in more believable when it comes to being a realistic thing! And that fans and haters or anyone, would comment/post arguments/discuss the matter.
Bear in mind that I am not a Twilight fan any more than I am that of Lestat & Jesse. I dislike/hate them both, but I just say Lestat & Jesse are far worse instead of better unlike in some fans's opinion.
That line "Lestat and Jesse is SO much better than Twilight!", is what I've seen thrown around. And all in all majority of the fans of these pairings seem blind to the fact these things are far from realistic. And in my opinion they make it clear by having to ask "Why do you hate it?", "What's wrong with it anyway?!", "Come on, they're perfect for each other! Why do you hate it?!" If they weren't blind, they wouldn't ask.
The following article is an improved version of my previous article on how the Lestat&Jesse pairing ruins the Queen of the Damned film as well as an independent film as an adaptation. So, in the following version of my aticle, I have taken Twilight in and compare Edward & Bella and their story to Lestat & Jesse of this film, with a reasoning critisism.
Comments highly appreciated from anyone, but especially all of you dear Twilight and/or Lestat & Jesse fangirls/boys; please read the following article carefully and with thought and comment on it, telling me how you see them then. And as said, comments appreciated from anyone
Just remember to stay polite! This article isn't meaning to offend anyone but is a reviewing opinion on two relationships and stories, so if you're bloody offended by anyone saying anything negative on something you love, then don't read this. You've been warned!
So, the following is my article at Fanpop's Twilight VS. The Vampire Lestat Spot.
LESTAT & JESSE VS: TWILIGHT:
Regardless that this is partly anti-fan toned, this is a FAN article from a Vampire Chronicles fan; a review from a FAN point of view on a film adaptation of a book with reasoning critisism and refering to a similiar story.
Over-all for why Lestat & Jesse pairing ruins the film's quality as an independent film:
This pairing doesn't have a place in this film's story as long as those other relationships that truly belong into it, exsist. And it's no wonder since Anne Rice didn't write Lestat to have such a relationship with Jesse or anyone else. In other words they try to force something into a story where that something just simply won't fit in and then it all turn out into an extremely nonsense ending scene. This pairing doesn't work in any way, has no chemistry, she's not his type at all and still the film's end suggest they end up together and that he leaves with her and seemingly forgets about the man he had obsessed about finding all through the film.
At least Twilight pairing isn't suggesting they fall in love while the guy clearly hates the girl and at least Twilight pairing isn't so extremely dismissing anything that the lead character truly feels for other characters as Twilight lead characters are all about each other. Twilight pairing is rather just empty and chilidishly written (exactly partly because of that they're all about each other) - but Lestat & Jesse are plain ridiculous and illogic for reasons just mentioned and soon to be reviewed.
Over-all for why Lestat & Jesse pairing ruins this film as an adaptation:
They wrote even the original script to be basically all about Lestat&Jesse "love" story which doesn't exsist in the source material. And as if that wasn't enough, this pairing dismisses too many, too significant true relationships and facts. In Twilight this of course isn't a probem because the original story is about nohing but the pairing.
In-depth for why Lestat&Jesse pairing ruins the film a an independent film:
As said, this film is clearly all about that relationship and yet they didn't even make it's chemistry and storyline work. Edward and Bella in Twilight doesn't work either really, as they don't know each others that well at the point when they swear they are each others' lives and their storyline is just full of holes. But this Lestat & Jesse REALLY doesn't work even seemingly unlike E&B do because as soon in-depth analysed their storyline is not only full of holes but it's also supporting hate and not love.
But first; Another thing in common in Lestat&Jesse and Edward&Bella pairings is that the girl is rather shallow and somewhat brainless all in all and also doesn't listen to the vampire guy but just insists to be with him no matter what. Really, the scene in the forest in Twilight with the dialog "I've killed before." "I don't care." "I want to kill you." "I trust you." and so on and so on and Bella doesn't even give a second to a thought before she says her lines. In fact, Edward was bearly even finished speaking when she already replied. So, that reminded me quite a lot of the Lestat&Jesse scene where Lestat talks to her, beautifully about mortality and humanity and why it's precious (plus he had expressed in his songs how dark being a vampire can be) - yet all she does is draw her own blood begging for him to "do it" and "please, let me be with you". Both of those girls lack any brains and any respect towards the guy's feelings and opinions.
And what still makes Jesse worse? The fact Lestat has never ever given an impression that he'd even care about her. In fact he had mocked her many times, insulted her, almost killed her, asked her why she's following him and said he doesn't have time for her wishes. Yes, he did save Jesse from falling to death just before that beautiful speach, but as said, the speach was about humanity and not about her, and he's not heartless anyway. At least Edward was all about Bella the same she was about him even if he did resist and there is no point to their love except the same old vampire/mortal edge that is nothing new or special. But you know what - Edward doesn't even "fall in love" with Bella because she's human but because she smells good and is special as in he can't read her thoughts, and Bella is all about how gorgeous Edward is. So there goes bye-bye the whatever point they could have had. But as said, Lestat&Jesse is worse because their story is really realistic only for hate, and there's nothing, absolutely nothing supporting love, unlike in Twilight, where emptiness lie and to an empty base you can naturally create anything and have it seemingly work for those who don't open their eyes.
Now, how does Lestat&Jesse appear not empty but completely illogic and unrealistic and supporting hate instead of love, and so ruins the entire film and is worse than Twilight:
I know Lestat is different personality in the film from what he is in the books. But it doesn't automatically mean that the film Jesse and the film Lestat would make a good and working couple.
The only personality features they have in common seem to be that they're both stubborn and irresponsible & somewhat arrogant. Not much to build the "love story of the century" on.
Lestat doesn't even show interest in her - he notices her & saves her life in the first place
only because she happens to mention Marius's name, (who's Lestat's father-figure who he has missed for 200 years), claiming to know the man. And when Lestat finds out she lied, he clearly intents to kill her. And in that scene before that moment, all Lestat ever did was mock her. And in the end insulted her with "Don't worry Jesse. Your kind never satisfies my thirst."
The two don't even talk too much to each others and when they do, it's clearly annoyed and disgusted reactions from Lestat's side. Just look at his facial expressions, listen to his voice.
As said even though this film's Lestat's partly different from what he is in the books, he's not THAT much different, and as she's rather stalky (as in following Lestat around uninvited and unwanted), bitchy (listen to her tones and some lines) and too dumb / nosey / careless for her own good (as in going to a vampire night club without anything to defend herself with and pushing on to be made a vampire while being in full health.) Lestat's careless and irresponsible in the bratty way. He causes himself trouble to get (Marius's) attention - not to try and get something that's not good for him unlike Jesse does. Lestat's deep and artistic soul and even if the original script Jesse happens to have some depth into her too, it doesn't really make up for being stalky, obsessive, bitchy and too dumb for her own good. This film's Jesse just doesn't seem anything like his kind of persona would be love-interested in and as lampood in the above part, in the official version that is the film, he clearly wasn't. And that's realistic - I mean why would such a soul as Lestat fall for and want to spend eternity with someone who reads other people's journals, doesn't know when to leave someone alone, talks in bitchy tones and doesn't know how to stay alive? And added to all that she dismissed his heartfelt and wise words about mortality's perciousness in other words didn't care about his feelings and opinions.
I admit Jesse does seem to understand Lestat to a degree and she may care about him but that doesn't make her the right one for Lestat. To be the right one for someone takse ALSO chamistry, which they don't have what-so-ever AND being the right one takes respect towards the other person and Jesse obviously doesn't respect Lestat's privacy nor his opinions. Yet suddenly in the end hand in hand they walk smiling... I wonder who blackmailed him into doing so. They're not enough alike, and they certainly are not soulmates.
The fact Jesse's a human and that he finds humanity and mortality beautiful like he said to her, isn't enough - as it had nothing to do practiculary with her as personality and he must have met in his 200 years tons of human girls who were also his type unlike Jesse. The only thing he found interesting and beautiful in Jesse was her mortality generally, so had he turned her into a vampire that would've been lost and nothing in her would've fascinated him anymore. There's another reason to say it makes no sense that he even turned her in the end.
Jesse offended and annoyed Lestat all along and nothing more, and as pointed out earlier, Lestat saved Jesse's life only to find out if she knows Marius like she said and intended to kill her when found out she didn't. And he tells he had called out for Marius many times ever since they parted, and many, many other scenes and moments show well how much Lestat obsesses about Marius to return and how much he loves the man.
And regardless of all that - the film ends with Lestat leaving with Jesse instead of staying with Marius. That's complete, utter nonsense and completely destroys the storyline in all it's illoginess and unrealisticness. In short; ruins the film and becomes the final touch on how it's even worse than Twilight which didn't have any other point to the story but the so-called lovers / everything completely revovls around them instead of them being forced in.
In-depth for why Lestat&Jesse pairing ruins the film as an adaptation:
In the book's ending; After Akasha was destroyed Lestat remains in-doors, writing his book "Queen of the Damned" and mourning Akasha's fate. He did stand on the good guys' side in her destruction but she had captured his heart so it wasn't easy for him.
BUT in the movie's ending Lestat doesn't seem to care about Akasha the least bit, though not exactly about Jesse either. I could see the reason why he didn't wish to kill Jesse was because he wasn't on Akasha's side (which is true to the books, fortunately.) Well, that WOULD be a realistic reason for it but I bet they were aiming at theif so-called love story.
In the book's ending there's no Jesse with Lestat in any way but there's a discussion between Lestat and Marius where it's revealed through Lestat's literal words directly to Marius that he couldn't even think of leaving Marius, not for very long anyway. And Marius at one point firmly forbids Lestat from meddling with the Talamasca.
BUT in the movie's ending In the very end Lestat and Jesse walk out from Talamasca house, hand in hand, smiling happily as if they were in love, and Marius walks into the Talamasca, and they leave us assuming Marius was to turn David Talbot into a vampire. And as lampood above, Lestat would never leave Marius for long, and that Marius would not meddle with Talamasca as he wouldn't allow Lestat to do so either. And the whole picture makes it seem as if Lestat changed from a brat to grown-up person and "love saved him". Gosh. Lestat would NEVER change, which is made very clear in the book's ending with the final Lestat & Louis scene, and note - LOUIS, NOT Jesse, and in the books it clearly was only Marius, who could affect his bratness in a positive.
All this makes the film's ending version so totally f-ed up. And endings are the most important parts of a story.
I know they changed the storylines and characters radically all along but all the other stuff in the film didn't make it necessary to change the ending that radically and having at least the ending right, could've made this film much more appreciatable as an adaptation.
And as said, I think it's clear that, their Lestat & Jesse paring caused them to do the change.
Here's even more in-depth reason for why this Lestat&Jesse relationship is one huge fake all the way; the original script also tries to make Lestat into a totally lonely indiividual and Jesse into "the only person who really knows and understands Lestat and loves him for who he is", the one that "Lestat desires".
When in fact Marius (with who Lestat has a pure father-son relationship) was the only person who really knew Lestat and understood him - Marius was the one Lestat desired to have by his side.
Marius is the person that comforts him, the one he couldn't even think of leaving, according to his own words, so I'm not analysing it out of nowhere. What that does make me think is that the loving father is more precious to Lestat than anything else.
Jesse's personality: she's stalky, bitchy, obsessive and too-dumb-for-her-own-good & tried to inmpress him with all her in-depth analyzing on his inner life. (Most of that is reasoned earlier in thsi article.)
X Knowing and understanding Lestat: Jesse cheated. She read his in-depth, heartfelt thoughts from his journal and then analyzed them. Doing that doesn't have you really know a person because it's still just words on paper, no matter how much written from the heart. You have to live with the person, and you have to watch their life, their behavour methods, their undertakings, you have to really talk with them - all this for a long time and for real.
Jesse did none of that, so Jesse could not have known who Lestat truly is and thus also not exactly either love him for that.
Marius's personality: wise, gentle, compassionate, loving, patient and deep, and he wasn't obsessive to make Lestat do something or talk about things he clearly wished not to.
He gave Lestat space, yet was always there for him when he really needed. Even though Lestat doesn't love Marius romantically, the point is he does love him. And if this is the kind of persoanlity Lestat generally taken loves, something like Jesse couldn't stir his love of any tone not to mention make him want to share eternity with her.
Even though the film version of Marius isn't too purely all that because they ********ed him up by combining his personality with Magnus, who is Lestat's maker in the books - they still shhowed Lestat was VERY much bound to him emotionally and wanted Marius into his life and not Jesse. As said Lestat told he called out for Marius many times since they parted, he noticed and saved Jesse only because she mentioned Marius, he intended to kill her when found out she doesn't know Marius, and the way Lestat looks at Marius in the first moments of the reunion scene... and the deeply touched look in Lestat's eyes when he looks at Marius who had just leapt on the stage to protect him.
Not to mention how Lestat obviously forgets all his worries after that moment. This film's Lestat LOVED this film's Marius and clearly Marius was the one Lestat wanted. You see, regardless of the film Marius giving a random, shallow reason for choosing Lestat, it obviously had come clear to Lestat that, that reason wasn't true. But that Marius had for one thing wanted to be his father. If Lestat had been left in the impression that Marius wouldn't want him but only for some random reason, Lestat couldn't have grown to love the man so deeply. But he had, so obviously the time had shown Lestat why Marius truly chose him and formed extremely strong love and bond between them.
X Knowing and understanding Lestat: Marius never read all about Lestat and then claimed to know and understand him and all that stuff.
Marius watched him, he lived with him and he listened to him, had long conversations and all that stuff. He genuinely loved Lestat for who he is, he knew and understood Lestat and he had all the valid base to do so. Because HE was meant for Lestat.
They f-ed up the true father-son relationship and it's strength and extreme significance to Lestat and replaced it with clearly forced, fake mortal-immortal romance and tried to make it into what the father-son relationship was in significance. The official vision; the film, does this too, only the original script shows the abuse clearly.
SO, the original script makes this pairing even worse with all it's desperate efforts to pair them for "the love story of the century", while they just clearly do not fit together and the "relationship" has no genuine base to begin with (hence, Jesse cheated and became obsessive stalker.)
They're trying to paint them as lovers clearly just because Jesse needed to become a vampire and Lestat happens to be one and they wanted a cliche love story between a mortal and a vampire. And they miserabley failed in doing so as well as an independent story as an adaptation.
All of this and so much more I take to a lot more in-depth on my Never Yours - Lestat & Jesse Hate Site
~Never Yours~ Lestat & Jesse Hate Site
As for Twilight, I already said it doesn't have adaptation problems like that at least not so much as the story is basically all about the pairing even if poorly wirtten with all it's empty plot and empty base to the relationship. Of course Bella's family and friend relationships and Edward's too are more or less dismissed even in the original story that is the books, in the name of how theese lovers care more about each other than anything else in the world. But then agaun, in it they don't have that close other relationships or at least they're not much described, but that's just it; Twilight story is about the lovers and how they see only each others, in love - and for no valid reeason, whereas in Queen of the Damned Lestat doesn't give a crap about Jesse in a romantic tone but in fat hates her - and for very valid reasons, and also he does yearn for Marius and is a little fascinated by Akasha - for very valid reasons too.
Stephenie Meyer didn't seem to know how to write a realistic and interesting love story and relationship. The script writers of the Queen of the Damned film didn't know that either but even more importantly and significantly they didn't seem to know how to write even a realistic storyline all in all but let the unrealistic "love" story mess up everything. But then again, it not messing up everything would be impossibility for as said it doesn't have a place in the story that isn't completely original wok of theirs. But nevertheless, all the same; it's ruining the film and remains worse than even Twilight.
This topic is not meant to provoke a war of any kind! I wish to critically analyse which pairing and story is better as in more believable when it comes to being a realistic thing! And that fans and haters or anyone, would comment/post arguments/discuss the matter.
Bear in mind that I am not a Twilight fan any more than I am that of Lestat & Jesse. I dislike/hate them both, but I just say Lestat & Jesse are far worse instead of better unlike in some fans's opinion.
That line "Lestat and Jesse is SO much better than Twilight!", is what I've seen thrown around. And all in all majority of the fans of these pairings seem blind to the fact these things are far from realistic. And in my opinion they make it clear by having to ask "Why do you hate it?", "What's wrong with it anyway?!", "Come on, they're perfect for each other! Why do you hate it?!" If they weren't blind, they wouldn't ask.
The following article is an improved version of my previous article on how the Lestat&Jesse pairing ruins the Queen of the Damned film as well as an independent film as an adaptation. So, in the following version of my aticle, I have taken Twilight in and compare Edward & Bella and their story to Lestat & Jesse of this film, with a reasoning critisism.
Comments highly appreciated from anyone, but especially all of you dear Twilight and/or Lestat & Jesse fangirls/boys; please read the following article carefully and with thought and comment on it, telling me how you see them then. And as said, comments appreciated from anyone
Just remember to stay polite! This article isn't meaning to offend anyone but is a reviewing opinion on two relationships and stories, so if you're bloody offended by anyone saying anything negative on something you love, then don't read this. You've been warned!
So, the following is my article at Fanpop's Twilight VS. The Vampire Lestat Spot.
LESTAT & JESSE VS: TWILIGHT:
Regardless that this is partly anti-fan toned, this is a FAN article from a Vampire Chronicles fan; a review from a FAN point of view on a film adaptation of a book with reasoning critisism and refering to a similiar story.
Over-all for why Lestat & Jesse pairing ruins the film's quality as an independent film:
This pairing doesn't have a place in this film's story as long as those other relationships that truly belong into it, exsist. And it's no wonder since Anne Rice didn't write Lestat to have such a relationship with Jesse or anyone else. In other words they try to force something into a story where that something just simply won't fit in and then it all turn out into an extremely nonsense ending scene. This pairing doesn't work in any way, has no chemistry, she's not his type at all and still the film's end suggest they end up together and that he leaves with her and seemingly forgets about the man he had obsessed about finding all through the film.
At least Twilight pairing isn't suggesting they fall in love while the guy clearly hates the girl and at least Twilight pairing isn't so extremely dismissing anything that the lead character truly feels for other characters as Twilight lead characters are all about each other. Twilight pairing is rather just empty and chilidishly written (exactly partly because of that they're all about each other) - but Lestat & Jesse are plain ridiculous and illogic for reasons just mentioned and soon to be reviewed.
Over-all for why Lestat & Jesse pairing ruins this film as an adaptation:
They wrote even the original script to be basically all about Lestat&Jesse "love" story which doesn't exsist in the source material. And as if that wasn't enough, this pairing dismisses too many, too significant true relationships and facts. In Twilight this of course isn't a probem because the original story is about nohing but the pairing.
In-depth for why Lestat&Jesse pairing ruins the film a an independent film:
As said, this film is clearly all about that relationship and yet they didn't even make it's chemistry and storyline work. Edward and Bella in Twilight doesn't work either really, as they don't know each others that well at the point when they swear they are each others' lives and their storyline is just full of holes. But this Lestat & Jesse REALLY doesn't work even seemingly unlike E&B do because as soon in-depth analysed their storyline is not only full of holes but it's also supporting hate and not love.
But first; Another thing in common in Lestat&Jesse and Edward&Bella pairings is that the girl is rather shallow and somewhat brainless all in all and also doesn't listen to the vampire guy but just insists to be with him no matter what. Really, the scene in the forest in Twilight with the dialog "I've killed before." "I don't care." "I want to kill you." "I trust you." and so on and so on and Bella doesn't even give a second to a thought before she says her lines. In fact, Edward was bearly even finished speaking when she already replied. So, that reminded me quite a lot of the Lestat&Jesse scene where Lestat talks to her, beautifully about mortality and humanity and why it's precious (plus he had expressed in his songs how dark being a vampire can be) - yet all she does is draw her own blood begging for him to "do it" and "please, let me be with you". Both of those girls lack any brains and any respect towards the guy's feelings and opinions.
And what still makes Jesse worse? The fact Lestat has never ever given an impression that he'd even care about her. In fact he had mocked her many times, insulted her, almost killed her, asked her why she's following him and said he doesn't have time for her wishes. Yes, he did save Jesse from falling to death just before that beautiful speach, but as said, the speach was about humanity and not about her, and he's not heartless anyway. At least Edward was all about Bella the same she was about him even if he did resist and there is no point to their love except the same old vampire/mortal edge that is nothing new or special. But you know what - Edward doesn't even "fall in love" with Bella because she's human but because she smells good and is special as in he can't read her thoughts, and Bella is all about how gorgeous Edward is. So there goes bye-bye the whatever point they could have had. But as said, Lestat&Jesse is worse because their story is really realistic only for hate, and there's nothing, absolutely nothing supporting love, unlike in Twilight, where emptiness lie and to an empty base you can naturally create anything and have it seemingly work for those who don't open their eyes.
Now, how does Lestat&Jesse appear not empty but completely illogic and unrealistic and supporting hate instead of love, and so ruins the entire film and is worse than Twilight:
I know Lestat is different personality in the film from what he is in the books. But it doesn't automatically mean that the film Jesse and the film Lestat would make a good and working couple.
The only personality features they have in common seem to be that they're both stubborn and irresponsible & somewhat arrogant. Not much to build the "love story of the century" on.
Lestat doesn't even show interest in her - he notices her & saves her life in the first place
only because she happens to mention Marius's name, (who's Lestat's father-figure who he has missed for 200 years), claiming to know the man. And when Lestat finds out she lied, he clearly intents to kill her. And in that scene before that moment, all Lestat ever did was mock her. And in the end insulted her with "Don't worry Jesse. Your kind never satisfies my thirst."
The two don't even talk too much to each others and when they do, it's clearly annoyed and disgusted reactions from Lestat's side. Just look at his facial expressions, listen to his voice.
As said even though this film's Lestat's partly different from what he is in the books, he's not THAT much different, and as she's rather stalky (as in following Lestat around uninvited and unwanted), bitchy (listen to her tones and some lines) and too dumb / nosey / careless for her own good (as in going to a vampire night club without anything to defend herself with and pushing on to be made a vampire while being in full health.) Lestat's careless and irresponsible in the bratty way. He causes himself trouble to get (Marius's) attention - not to try and get something that's not good for him unlike Jesse does. Lestat's deep and artistic soul and even if the original script Jesse happens to have some depth into her too, it doesn't really make up for being stalky, obsessive, bitchy and too dumb for her own good. This film's Jesse just doesn't seem anything like his kind of persona would be love-interested in and as lampood in the above part, in the official version that is the film, he clearly wasn't. And that's realistic - I mean why would such a soul as Lestat fall for and want to spend eternity with someone who reads other people's journals, doesn't know when to leave someone alone, talks in bitchy tones and doesn't know how to stay alive? And added to all that she dismissed his heartfelt and wise words about mortality's perciousness in other words didn't care about his feelings and opinions.
I admit Jesse does seem to understand Lestat to a degree and she may care about him but that doesn't make her the right one for Lestat. To be the right one for someone takse ALSO chamistry, which they don't have what-so-ever AND being the right one takes respect towards the other person and Jesse obviously doesn't respect Lestat's privacy nor his opinions. Yet suddenly in the end hand in hand they walk smiling... I wonder who blackmailed him into doing so. They're not enough alike, and they certainly are not soulmates.
The fact Jesse's a human and that he finds humanity and mortality beautiful like he said to her, isn't enough - as it had nothing to do practiculary with her as personality and he must have met in his 200 years tons of human girls who were also his type unlike Jesse. The only thing he found interesting and beautiful in Jesse was her mortality generally, so had he turned her into a vampire that would've been lost and nothing in her would've fascinated him anymore. There's another reason to say it makes no sense that he even turned her in the end.
Jesse offended and annoyed Lestat all along and nothing more, and as pointed out earlier, Lestat saved Jesse's life only to find out if she knows Marius like she said and intended to kill her when found out she didn't. And he tells he had called out for Marius many times ever since they parted, and many, many other scenes and moments show well how much Lestat obsesses about Marius to return and how much he loves the man.
And regardless of all that - the film ends with Lestat leaving with Jesse instead of staying with Marius. That's complete, utter nonsense and completely destroys the storyline in all it's illoginess and unrealisticness. In short; ruins the film and becomes the final touch on how it's even worse than Twilight which didn't have any other point to the story but the so-called lovers / everything completely revovls around them instead of them being forced in.
In-depth for why Lestat&Jesse pairing ruins the film as an adaptation:
In the book's ending; After Akasha was destroyed Lestat remains in-doors, writing his book "Queen of the Damned" and mourning Akasha's fate. He did stand on the good guys' side in her destruction but she had captured his heart so it wasn't easy for him.
BUT in the movie's ending Lestat doesn't seem to care about Akasha the least bit, though not exactly about Jesse either. I could see the reason why he didn't wish to kill Jesse was because he wasn't on Akasha's side (which is true to the books, fortunately.) Well, that WOULD be a realistic reason for it but I bet they were aiming at theif so-called love story.
In the book's ending there's no Jesse with Lestat in any way but there's a discussion between Lestat and Marius where it's revealed through Lestat's literal words directly to Marius that he couldn't even think of leaving Marius, not for very long anyway. And Marius at one point firmly forbids Lestat from meddling with the Talamasca.
BUT in the movie's ending In the very end Lestat and Jesse walk out from Talamasca house, hand in hand, smiling happily as if they were in love, and Marius walks into the Talamasca, and they leave us assuming Marius was to turn David Talbot into a vampire. And as lampood above, Lestat would never leave Marius for long, and that Marius would not meddle with Talamasca as he wouldn't allow Lestat to do so either. And the whole picture makes it seem as if Lestat changed from a brat to grown-up person and "love saved him". Gosh. Lestat would NEVER change, which is made very clear in the book's ending with the final Lestat & Louis scene, and note - LOUIS, NOT Jesse, and in the books it clearly was only Marius, who could affect his bratness in a positive.
All this makes the film's ending version so totally f-ed up. And endings are the most important parts of a story.
I know they changed the storylines and characters radically all along but all the other stuff in the film didn't make it necessary to change the ending that radically and having at least the ending right, could've made this film much more appreciatable as an adaptation.
And as said, I think it's clear that, their Lestat & Jesse paring caused them to do the change.
Here's even more in-depth reason for why this Lestat&Jesse relationship is one huge fake all the way; the original script also tries to make Lestat into a totally lonely indiividual and Jesse into "the only person who really knows and understands Lestat and loves him for who he is", the one that "Lestat desires".
When in fact Marius (with who Lestat has a pure father-son relationship) was the only person who really knew Lestat and understood him - Marius was the one Lestat desired to have by his side.
Marius is the person that comforts him, the one he couldn't even think of leaving, according to his own words, so I'm not analysing it out of nowhere. What that does make me think is that the loving father is more precious to Lestat than anything else.
Jesse's personality: she's stalky, bitchy, obsessive and too-dumb-for-her-own-good & tried to inmpress him with all her in-depth analyzing on his inner life. (Most of that is reasoned earlier in thsi article.)
X Knowing and understanding Lestat: Jesse cheated. She read his in-depth, heartfelt thoughts from his journal and then analyzed them. Doing that doesn't have you really know a person because it's still just words on paper, no matter how much written from the heart. You have to live with the person, and you have to watch their life, their behavour methods, their undertakings, you have to really talk with them - all this for a long time and for real.
Jesse did none of that, so Jesse could not have known who Lestat truly is and thus also not exactly either love him for that.
Marius's personality: wise, gentle, compassionate, loving, patient and deep, and he wasn't obsessive to make Lestat do something or talk about things he clearly wished not to.
He gave Lestat space, yet was always there for him when he really needed. Even though Lestat doesn't love Marius romantically, the point is he does love him. And if this is the kind of persoanlity Lestat generally taken loves, something like Jesse couldn't stir his love of any tone not to mention make him want to share eternity with her.
Even though the film version of Marius isn't too purely all that because they ********ed him up by combining his personality with Magnus, who is Lestat's maker in the books - they still shhowed Lestat was VERY much bound to him emotionally and wanted Marius into his life and not Jesse. As said Lestat told he called out for Marius many times since they parted, he noticed and saved Jesse only because she mentioned Marius, he intended to kill her when found out she doesn't know Marius, and the way Lestat looks at Marius in the first moments of the reunion scene... and the deeply touched look in Lestat's eyes when he looks at Marius who had just leapt on the stage to protect him.
Not to mention how Lestat obviously forgets all his worries after that moment. This film's Lestat LOVED this film's Marius and clearly Marius was the one Lestat wanted. You see, regardless of the film Marius giving a random, shallow reason for choosing Lestat, it obviously had come clear to Lestat that, that reason wasn't true. But that Marius had for one thing wanted to be his father. If Lestat had been left in the impression that Marius wouldn't want him but only for some random reason, Lestat couldn't have grown to love the man so deeply. But he had, so obviously the time had shown Lestat why Marius truly chose him and formed extremely strong love and bond between them.
X Knowing and understanding Lestat: Marius never read all about Lestat and then claimed to know and understand him and all that stuff.
Marius watched him, he lived with him and he listened to him, had long conversations and all that stuff. He genuinely loved Lestat for who he is, he knew and understood Lestat and he had all the valid base to do so. Because HE was meant for Lestat.
They f-ed up the true father-son relationship and it's strength and extreme significance to Lestat and replaced it with clearly forced, fake mortal-immortal romance and tried to make it into what the father-son relationship was in significance. The official vision; the film, does this too, only the original script shows the abuse clearly.
SO, the original script makes this pairing even worse with all it's desperate efforts to pair them for "the love story of the century", while they just clearly do not fit together and the "relationship" has no genuine base to begin with (hence, Jesse cheated and became obsessive stalker.)
They're trying to paint them as lovers clearly just because Jesse needed to become a vampire and Lestat happens to be one and they wanted a cliche love story between a mortal and a vampire. And they miserabley failed in doing so as well as an independent story as an adaptation.
All of this and so much more I take to a lot more in-depth on my Never Yours - Lestat & Jesse Hate Site
~Never Yours~ Lestat & Jesse Hate Site
As for Twilight, I already said it doesn't have adaptation problems like that at least not so much as the story is basically all about the pairing even if poorly wirtten with all it's empty plot and empty base to the relationship. Of course Bella's family and friend relationships and Edward's too are more or less dismissed even in the original story that is the books, in the name of how theese lovers care more about each other than anything else in the world. But then agaun, in it they don't have that close other relationships or at least they're not much described, but that's just it; Twilight story is about the lovers and how they see only each others, in love - and for no valid reeason, whereas in Queen of the Damned Lestat doesn't give a crap about Jesse in a romantic tone but in fat hates her - and for very valid reasons, and also he does yearn for Marius and is a little fascinated by Akasha - for very valid reasons too.
Stephenie Meyer didn't seem to know how to write a realistic and interesting love story and relationship. The script writers of the Queen of the Damned film didn't know that either but even more importantly and significantly they didn't seem to know how to write even a realistic storyline all in all but let the unrealistic "love" story mess up everything. But then again, it not messing up everything would be impossibility for as said it doesn't have a place in the story that isn't completely original wok of theirs. But nevertheless, all the same; it's ruining the film and remains worse than even Twilight.