Rebirth of the Rebellion - Code Geass R2 Talkback (SPOILERS)

When do you get off on the idea that my statements implied that I found a blowing up a planet was acceptable. I just said that I never got a racist vibe from the Galactic Empire. That does not mean I sanction them blowing up a planet! Just that the Galactic Empire did not evoke a sense of racism in the way Britannia did.

No I don't want racism to be swept under the rug. But I am unsure if the Galactic Empire was a suitable comparison to the Britannian Empire, and I did not think it was the case.

Now you people want to jump down my throat and put worRAB in my mouth that I sanction that. You might as well say that Juu-kuchi loves Hitler and believes that the Final Solution was a frigging brilliant strategy while you guys are at it, because you damn well are on a roll in labeling me a racist. Why not go a step further and start telling people that I'm a Nazi?
 
Suzaku is a traitor to all who value freedom and justice. Lets put this in respective. During the American revolution, if someone was fighting to keep the colonies subjected to Britain so they could try reforming the empire from within, that person would have been labeled a traitor (and rightfully so).

Whatever happen to "give me freedom or give me death". Or how about "its better to die standing than live on our knees".

Lelouch gave a nice discussion about how some people chose to live an easy life without pride while others live a hard life but keep their pride. Suzaku wishs the Japanese to give up their pride so he can go enslave other people and then bring peaceful rule for as long as Suzaku lives. But thats the problem, even if Suzaku succeeRAB in his plan he can only rule Japan as long as he lives. Once Suzaku dies whats to stop the Britain from abusing the Japanese? Suzaku is a naive moron and much worst, a traitor to Justice, freedom, and all those that value their pride.

Suzaku is a fool, or as Lelouch says, an idiot. Suzaku claims that rebellion is wrong because too many innocent people are killed but he is willing to kill his own country men that are rebelling and to help enslave Europe (the only bastion of freedom that we know of in the code geass world)? Does no one else see the hyporcacy of Suzaku's world view? Suzaku is only thinking of himself and turning himself into some kind of savior of the Japanese which is fueled by his refusal to admit that killing his father was a great mistake.
 
I tried. I tried really hard to always look past a music video for any anime opening. As many of you know, the actual music video for an anime opening compared to the show we saw it in is...um...usually weirder. So of course, when I looked up the [PV] for O2, I found this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vUFI3dYevqA&feature=related

It's like they were showing a trailer for a movie and just put the music on top of it.
 
Anyone else notice that not only was season one's first episode and the second season opener similar in pace and content but that for both:

Episode 2 was an action packed episode

Episode 3 was slower paced character development

and

Episode 4 was also about lelouch going against the odRAB to rescue someone from execution. How long will the these similarities last?
 
On top of all that, back in season 1 LeLouch wanted Suzaku to look after Nunally and protect her before he found out he was the Lancelot's pilot, as he figured he would eventually have to move on from Japan to complete his rebellion. Now he's accomplished that goal in spite of everything Suzaku has done.

He also seemed to have sympathy for Nunally's project...it's telling that he bothered to leave a memorial to Euphemia. Its also interesting that even though he hates Suzaku, he's still lending him an awful lot of trust. He's trusted him with Nunally, he trusted that he wouldn't let his soldiers fire on the million Japanese, and he seems to trust that Japan can be kept safe enough that he won't have to worry about Nunally from now on.

The one flaw is that Suzaku is definitely going to figure out what's going on. He's already realized that Zero knew him well enough to know that he wouldn't let the Japanese be killed. Also, it'll be quite a balancing act to keep the farce going at Ashford while managing the rebellion overseas. He'll end up taking a few too many long leaves of absence, and Suzaku will inevitably realize that he's been had.
 
but.....dont you believe that the magical power of love would allow Ohgi to look past all of her sins?, its supposed to conquer all remeraber.
 
Ironically, I made a post several pages back praising the music Despite all its inherent flaws, I've always thought Geass' music has been fantastic. It has one of my favorite soundtracks I've ever heard.
 
*is now thinking of the 'civillian Death Star contractors' scene from Clerks*

To be honest, I think anyone who was working on something as sensetive as the Geass cult couldn't have just wondered into it. Surely only trusted, and so suspect, individuals would be allowed anywhere near it.
 
Perhaps he cannot openly admit it, but then again it was a gross miscalculation by a 10 year old boy, so it is a very hard thing for him to do. But what is wrong with fighting within the system, leading by example on what he can possibly do? Here comes the conundrum then on which is easier when there isn't a good system: Do you rebel or do you fight within, rise through the ranks and attain the respect, adulation of others to set a proper example? I don't see anything wrong with that provided of course the person fighting within the system isn't technically a monster or if he is beset on all sides by the most evil of people (which in hinRABight there are a distinct nuraber of Britannians that do not fit the usual Emperor and Clovis model). But then again, I have yet to see any honourary Britannians that are of other conquered nations so my argument cannot really tread water. Still, Suzaku perhaps wanted to lead by example and show how systems can be changed from within.

Suzaku perhaps doesn't really care much for the liberation of countries because he believed that Japan may be a set example for other nations to follow. A spillover of good political norms if you will, hence why he doesn't pursue even farther than Japan since he believes everyone will follow suit. And despot? That is kindof harsh, we do not necessarily know much really of what he would do that would be despotic if he became head of Japan. Once he starts massacring Japanese or being impotent in his rule then perhaps a contesting of his potential despotism may be set in order.

Then again, speaking of freeing countries for the sake of other countries, it's an interesting role reversal. Suzaku in the first season fought for the sake of the people while Lelouch fought for a perfect world for Nunally and only her; while it is reverse with Suzaku fighting forward for (essentially in tainted memory) Euphemia, while Lelouch fights for all. Speaking of which, of course Suzaku's obssession with Euphie seems unhealthy, but then again if your girlfriend or love interest acted rather mysteriously and killed people under certain circumstances only to be killed by your best friend, and your desire to find the rationale of her actions come into contact with your love for her, would you probably act the same way like Suzaku did?

The negative comments of how Suzaku is obsessed with Euphie seem to be rather cruel really, because it is like you're saying "Ha ha so your stupid girlfriend killed a bunch of people and died. It's been two years. GET OVER IT!" No, you just don't get over it. Not everybody is built upon such strong foundation to let such a justification slip by them. And such events can affect a person deeply so much that he charges ahead. Like many other people and events in the world, it will have to take a shock of equal and greater magnitude to have them slip out of it. Still Suzaku could have made many attempts to be able to become more of a ******bag that he is, but he has practiced in some essence an amazing form of restraint in my personal opinion.

But then again I cannot help but wonder what people expect out of Suzaku? Everybody's wishing he'd get beaten up, derided upon, and probably killed. Granted I am guilty of also harbouring such thoughts in the past, but what did you want him to do?

-Did you want him to immediately say "oh I'm wrong lemme join Lelouch" during the earlier eps of R2?
-Do you want him to remain the naive, idealistic, warrior fighting within the system in R1? So that he can be easily derided and spat upon by you guys for being a colossal moron instead of a heartless ******bag?

I can bet a lot of you may start laughing or mocking him if he ever joins up with Lelouch as well. You may be relieved that he may be joining him, but that may not stop you from making gesticulations of how stupid or impotent he is, or even "finally it took you so long you weak minded fool. Join the right side!" etc. etc. etc. But that's just me.
 
AH!
Let's keep this Suzaku X Lelouch, please >_>.
*will probably end up finding a Guilford doujin anyways D:*
Come to think of it, I don't think there's been any involving Rolo yet, either. Which is odd considering his...you know...obsession/loyalty issues. Tons of fanart and fanfiction [*gag*] I'm sure, but no doujin/manga.
There is a Dethard x Orange-kun though!
 
Euphie's rotting corpse lurabers forward.

"Subz...azku.....curab to....beeee..."

Suzaku: "...You fans really hate me to image me in these situations, don't you?"
 
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