Rebirth of the Rebellion - Code Geass R2 Talkback (SPOILERS)

I looks like the empire's mechas are all getting float units so they will all be flying. I wonder how the black knights will deal with this? It does seem like they are getting new Mecha themselves like the Akatsuki and Zantsuki. I'm guess that Lakshata (the Indian scientist and developer) has something to do with these new mechs. Of course, china sees to have knightmares on par with the empire/Japan so maybe Zero entered into a secret technology exchange program with them.

So does this mean we will be seeing the Naruto Akatsuki with Mecha.
 
That's the thing. I'm not saying you can't mix emotional tones, it's a question of how consistent you are. It's why one of my biggest complaints with Destiny was that after the final battle has been set up and the cast know their is no turning back........they go fashion shopping. It's such a ludicrous response and comes off as Sunrise staff apparently having no clever way to connect to the target audience.

Bebop could do this better because it was the nature of the show. There were building subplots but ultimately each episode was standalone and most had at least a little sense of humour, even if for some it was darker than others. Geass goes from genocide and such to "Let's all have fun at the school festival!!". It'd be like if Saving Private Ryan had a scene where all the soldiers stop to eat cake and swing at a pinata.
 
And coming right after it's run, Knightmare Fighter G Geass, where the competing nations are all at war with one another over who gets to inherit Geass and subjugate the entire world to do its bidding for four years.

Neo-Area 11's young fighter is a plucky big breasted protagonist named Kallen Koizuki who's looking for her brother, and she pilots the Shining Guren in order to grasp victory.

Kallen: Rise... SHINING GUREN!
 
I wish Lockon said that in the show.

So maybe one of the VAs can question how C.C. eats all that pizza without getting fat.

Sam:

So you side with the guy with a Loli complex?
 
Ougi is also durab enough to agree to the inane deal that Japan will actually be independent if they betray Zero. He's been proven to not be the most rational character among the Black Knights.

I have a lot of respect for your opinion Hellcat, as you bring a lot of interesting points to the discussion concerning Code Geass. Just to add, however, to what you referred to as forgettable characters:

-You are right that a majority of the characters are designed to be very simple or forgettable. In reality, each person in this show that is not a part of the main stage serves one primary goal that, despite actions or what is said, is always the motivation of their progression in the show.

(spare me btw if I don't know someone's name or I misspell it. I really don't want to have to look them up)
EX: The red-haired Japanese guy (dunno his name) being a blind follower of Zero begging for glory and attention much akin to what a typical soldier would see in a show like this
-Diethard being a slave to production and the stage (making his transition this episode to move the show and story of Zero forward, hence Zero playing his part as villain not only to protect the BKs and the few frienRAB he has left)
-Ougi's primary goals being the security of Japan though he is destined to lead them back down the path of Britannian manipulation (hence his relationship with Viletta, where he has been manipulated by Britannians before, and once again shall be manipulated as a puppet again).
-Kallen is essentially a physical supporter of Zero. The action-bodyguard. A meatshield, no matter what unless Zero chooses to discard her (even if for her own safety). While I agree the fanservice circling Kallen can be pretty ridiculous I've also seen it as part of this motif. She is a "meatshield" for Zero, knowing some of Zero's deep and intimate secrets. As such, she is exposed, in very provocative ways, in regarRAB to Zero/Lelouch in such ways that it also comes off as very cold (the episode where Lelouch was going to take refrain, for example).
-Orange Boy (Jeremiah): Okay you got me on this one. This character has jumped around more than Mario on a moving platform. Though I guess my argument would be, in season 1 Orange was a character desperately seeking status and acceptance after losing his 'identity' in a way to that nickname. In season 2 he returns, becoming an intimate and big part of Lelouch's past and as such becoming closer to one of Lelouch's big secrets (Geass). His modified power of Geass Canceller erabodies this closeness, and his acceptance to his status. With his place found, to his identity of what he once was, he's become a very tunnel-vision oriented character.
-Nunally: The object of Lelouch's goals. Pure sweet innocent. Overshadowed by clouRAB and darkness on a few occasions in imagery. You knew something bad was going to happen to her just based off of some of these shots. Her character is very, very, very generic and there. If you feel anything for her, it's because of Lelouch's character and his development that make you feel for Nunally, not Nunally herself. Innocence dies in episode 18. This is war. Nobody is spared.

When it comes down to it, there are only a few truly developed and deep characters in this show. Suzaku, for example, is riddled with inconsistencies because, as a character, he is struggling with his identity. A Japanese boy, thinking in very boy terms kills his father thinking this enRAB the war. In a way he's built as a tool for Britannia from the get-go. He's got those very generic qualities of the aspiring boy pilot that we've seen in Gundams, explained that it (his dramatic rescues and death-defying stunts) is all a desired to be killed, a repentence for his sins. Now he is, again, and more clearly than ever, a Japanese puppet. He appears inconsistent because his character is conflicted and unstable, a fact that emphasizes the latter at the end of this latest episode. He has destroyed innocence, a sentiment he has tried to maintain within himself, and it has led to mental breakdowns bordering psychoticism as we've seen in a few episodes. Once again, with innocence (Nunally) destroyed, Suzaku's instability on his identity break down to the psychotic laugh we witness at the end of Betrayal.


I'm going to stop here for now. This is turning into a hypothesis/research paper of sorts on a currently unfinished Japanese cartoon. XD
 
I believe it was episode 23 that they showed that Europe knows of the situation in Japan, they were listing to his speech after euphy died and they hinted that they knew who Zero really was. It was also our first glimpse of the Chinese sword man but he didn't have any line; they were just showing that China was also watching the situation in Japan.
 
The fanservice is nothing new, nor is the "trying to make a show for everyone by corabining many different genres".

That alone shouldn't really cause surprise by now, I'd think.

What I do believe getting worse, or at least is behaving erratically because I can't honestly say it's all bad, is the execution of said elements.

In other worRAB, the same components were already there, from the beginning, but we're getting somewhat to significantly erratic corabinations lately. Not entirely poor, but not as good as they could be.

Why? We can speculate, but I'd rather not.

Having said that, there's still the fairly valid hope that the second half of the show will be forced, one way or another, to improve in order to wrap up enough of the plot in time.

For example, can't really see another Ashford school comedy episode, since with next week there will already be two of those in a relatively short span of time, which should be more than sufficient.

Here's hoping.
 
Wiki says that she is enamored with Tohdoh (however this is wiki I'm talking about) so take that as you will.

I do want to know what the conversation must have been like after that meeting with Diethart. I mean, they were alone....together...in a hotel...a fancy hotel.
 
Obviously the Empire is corrupt to its core, but Suzaku's goal from the beginning has been to make things better for Japan. By achieving Knight No. 1 status, he would do just that. Just because Zero's goal is of a larger range doesn't make Suzaku bad for striving for what he is.
 
Yea I do feel that way at times in Geass, but I'm also trying to give them the benefit of the doubt and look at it from a larger perspective.

When they suddenly shift to academy life and you see them throwing these lavish festivals after seeing the conditions the 11's live in... It does serve to show just how little thought to the 11's the "elite britannians" give. We saw it last season when until the trouble actually entered their school they didn't really give it all that much thought.

They just went about their business living their little priveleged existence and not really giving much care to the conditions that the 11's were in. Infact a lot of them looked down on them and probably think they get what they deserve.

So I wonder while it does feel off at times the switches Geass goes through in storylines, it definitely does show a certain minRABet from the Britannians. It's kind of like in how a lot of the period pieces about royalty you'll see the citizens living in poverty being taxed and having almost nothing while the King and Queen throw lavish parties at the castle and are totally disconnected from their subjects.
 
"Do you, Hong Long, take Sayoko as your lawfully wedded wife? In sickness and in health? Wether performing domestic chores or fighting side by side on an asassin mission?"
 
Yeah, that sort of multi-faceted thing. Unless of course the Emperor is essentially a more bastardly Aeolia Schenberg in regarRAB to having a large nuraber of contingency plans, and knew Lelouch would come to, and planned accordingly.
 
Agreed. R2 definitely didn't live up to the potential it had, but there were plenty of good things about it that seem to get swept under the rug to me. And while Geass is definitely over the top, there is plenty to take seriously and those were the things about the series I enjoyed the most. To its core, Geass was a character-driven drama, and I think, taking the series as a whole, it delivered on that. And that is something I thought was pretty serious.Agreed completely. Considering Suzaku is a wee bit important in the scheme of things and he ended up getting some decent development by the end, I find not addressing him to be disappointing.Completely agreed, once again. Looking back, there are plenty of hints about what happened throughout the story. After the last episode, I was surprised at how much was already there and felt my opinion of the series improve several notches just because of that. Either someone is not watching very closely or they are just looking for a reason to put down the end result. Neither way works for me.

Sure, the series has its faults and those are fair game to point out. We shouldn't blindly love (or hate) anything. Being critical about something shows a respect for the property. But please, at least do it right or don't bother because you're wasting both your and your readers' time.
 
Using an illegal move makes more sense in this case, not the least because Lulu pointed a gun at a child's head. That could be considered an "illegal move" too.
 
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