Pros and Cons of Usenet

Yeah for the most part you have to pay. But for me you pay for freedom.

-You DON'T have to beg/trade to get an invite to a torrent tracker site, as if the site controls the the whole "scene".

-You don't have to guess about a movie. Torrent/P2P posters don't know what an nfo file is. Very frustrating to not know if a movie is ntsc or pal, or if anything is ripped, even something like "is this the 2008 remake or the 1973 original"

-Most movies are not DVD format,there's avi,divx,etc. Nothing wrong with that but usenet has DVD's

I'm not saying that usenet is better than torrent/P2P i just think that most torrent leechers do so because its easy and free and there are alot of positives to usenet which a little less easy and not really free.

Usenet (and IRC) are all about freedom and are all about ANTI-control of the internet "waves". IMO Private tracker sites, which are growing are all about controlling the "scene".

Regards,

Hugo
 
My comments:

Retention is much, much better than torrent sites, so I don't think it is a very big con at all.

Costs are minimal compared to internet service in general and especially in light of the fact that many torrent users now use seedboxes, which can easily run $50/month.
 
Pro: More efficient bandwidth usage for the home user. You've only got the size of whatever you're downloading to worry about. With BT, you're using double the bandwidth if you're seeding 1:1, triple for 2:1, and it just gets worse from there.

Pro: No ratios to worry about.

Con: Can sometimes be difficult to determine legit uploads from viruses/trojans (esp. apps).

Con: Fewer non-scene HD releases than BT sites.
 
why thanks for the insight.. iv got plenty of experience here also

over any site and the content movie wise will, well smoke whatever your thinking.
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sure thing matey :blink:

I can get exactly the same stuff from p2p and trusted sources....so it's maybe you who's not looking hard enuff
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i dont need to look hard, usenet is easy to find everything im looking for .. and i didnt say "YOU" couldnt find what "YOU" were looking for..


Don't believe me
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its not a matter of me believing you, its a matter of me not agreeing with that your saying.

use Google Maybe you should use something else besides Ares?
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i worked for google contracting for a while so im pretty sure i can use it just fine ;)
 
Cons: There is no community, which may or may not matter to most but I enjoy it.

Cons: With torrents you generally get comments from users that have tried the file and it's easy to spot a bad release if you aren't one of the first to grab it.

Most the pros have been mentioned.
 
Sonnentier said:
@hugoblank

It's not like eDonkey doesn't have classic movies, there's plenty of japanese CC content available.
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I'll check my post again but I don't think I said or implied that. I thought I was just giving an example. Maybe you got a little rattled and read "in between the lines". That's OK, it happens.

I'm really not trying to take away your donkey. I'm sure there lots and lots and lots of "quality rips" on Edonkey. I'm sure it has everything YOU could ever want. Why else would you be so quick to defend it. I'm happy for you. You're one of the millions and millions of folks that just love your donkey.

Believe me, what you don't get is I really, really want YOU to continue to like your donkey so much that you never feel the need to roam. Trust me, I don't think YOU would like usenet. Its kind of complicated and definetly overated! Stick with eDonkey, its better.

Regards,
Hugo
 
I use eMule and Usenet, the ed2k base has more of a community, it needs that. As with usenet it's just a server that at anytime can be shut down, why do think ISP's dropped their "newsservice" well most anyway not all. I'm not defending it, it's another alternative, and yes ed2k users are as much watched as torrent users. This is why usenet is still under the radar, which is why if you decide to download lets say "Watchmen" you would be a major target. As with usenet, only you and you news provider know. So if usenet went the way of Napster and was shutdown, then P2P will still be here..as long as I/You/Community share the file it will be around for along time. As for movies I'm saying this....fileheaven.org has archive more than 250,000+ movies from any year and ever genre. Most of those movies you can't find on usenet, noir even buy them. There are tons and tons of ed2k sites out there and they all have great content, and so does usenet. I'm on a shared connection and as I'm not putting the bill :lol: I've been in the ed2k community for almost 10 years, so maybe that's why I'm biased, but if usenet wasn't a pay for service it would be the only thing I use, as I was saying about retention, certain games I wanted that were more than 2 years old I couldn't find on usenet, they were well seeded on torrent and ed2k. I'm sure every user runs into that. Like I say I roam, depending on what network the file is on that I want. I see more pressure be applied to usenet in the coming years more than ed2k, because ed2k is now serverless (Kademlia) :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kad_Network

But if your saying that I'm a P2P nut job I'm not, I use all forms of Filesharing, torrent the lest, emule next, and then usenet. I guess my whole point, ed2k sites have a tight knit community, requests, good shares, rare movies, but then again, I've been at the site since it' been open, 2001 or something. I like usenet, but it's only so long till it's starts getting heat.

zot said:
No snap, former ShareLive, and Pleasuredome101, ok and DrunkenDonkey, wow...that's the early days :D I tried starting SL back up again, the website is open source, and I never could get it to run, so I left it, but I've began trying again, doubt I'll get far :ermm:

And speaking of Usenet heat, BREiN is going after NZB sites, uh oh
http://www.slyck.com/story1840_BREIN_Plans_to_Move_against_NZB_Sites
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Overlord said:
He means 25% of ISP+Newsgroup:
$35+$11=$46
$11/$46=0.24
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OMG! I bet you can make change in your head w/o resorting to a calculator...:w00t:

Everybody these days has stories on how the pimply teenage type at the store stands there with vacant eyes trying to make change because the cash register is wacky, or whatever.

Right now I'm trying to change wireless phone companies (maybe), and standing in the shop juggling the brochures and tossing the costs around (both start-up and monthly), and trying to get a straight answer from the clerk is.... pretty bad. I usually find some box with small print in it that changes everything, or makes the 'deal' they're trying to get me interested in either moot or 'not doable', by the 'small print'.

And these are the guys that are supposedly gone through all the marketing junk/classes.... right! Well, unfortunately, out of the 4 choices (one of which I'm on right now), one has good phones but lousy network, another has okay phones but no wifi, the other has wifi but no international service, and the fourth has a pitiful network with pitiful phones.

I'll probably stick with what I've got, but trying to get accurate info out of the store drones is about... impossible.

And I think trying to get good info on usenet v. p2p is pretty bad as well. You use what you're comfortable with, but I've gone back and forth a couple of times and end right back on usenet every time.
 
I don't think you're a nut job at all. From what you're saying you have experience with a lot of different sources. So to me you have a perspective on things. Its the dopey kid that has never used anything but torrents but runs to defend his toy that is comical.

And speaking of Usenet heat, BREiN is going after NZB sites, uh oh
http://www.slyck.com/story1840_BREIN_Plans_to_Move_against_NZB_Sites
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This is a good article. "But there's little denying that once the newsgroups have you hooked, all other methods of file-sharing seem a bit juvenile."...."There’s the news server at the heart of the newsgroup community, and with the ISP safe harbor provision protecting these entities, the newsgroups will be around long after their P2P contemporaries have vanished."

I've never understood why the Dutch are so in to the scene. You can't go anywhere on usenet and not find FTD or nl somewhere. It figures that their own government is looking into it.

I still think that the more popular the file-sharing spot the more vulnerable. Let's just hope that we all stay under the radar.

Regards,

Hugo
 
Darth_Duane said:
Cons: There is no community, which may or may not matter to most but I enjoy it.

Cons: With torrents you generally get comments from users that have tried the file and it's easy to spot a bad release if you aren't one of the first to grab it.

Most the pros have been mentioned.
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I agree with you about the community thing but ironically I've always felt that, say on newzbin i get alot of comments about posts whereas with, say isohunt it seems that they are rare. EDIT: You might be right, one of the "slumdog tor. has 180+ comments. That is alot.

The thing that really makes torrents look goofy is that there is no nfo (or the like). I just looked up "slumdog millionaire" on a torrent site. They're almost all DVD rips, but some are 650MB, 750MB,1.1GB, 1.3GB so whats the difference? Are there languages ripped, extras ripped, are they NTSC, etc. I guess we'll never know because some dork put a dvd, thru one of the DVDtoSomething? apps that tell you to insert the dvd then hit "start". You're done! And said dork thinks that PAL means your buddy.

C'mon you know that's lame and its true.

Regards,

Hugo
 
For comments about any scene release, I check out comments left by other uses on private torrent sites so I verify if a release is nuked or nuked. If it's okay, I then proceed to download w/ my newsreader.
 
hugoblank said:
I agree with you about the community thing but ironically I've always felt that, say on newzbin i get alot of comments about posts whereas with, say isohunt it seems that they are rare. EDIT: You might be right, one of the "slumdog tor. has 180+ comments. That is alot.

The thing that really makes torrents look goofy is that there is no nfo (or the like). I just looked up "slumdog millionaire" on a torrent site. They're almost all DVD rips, but some are 650MB, 750MB,1.1GB, 1.3GB so whats the difference? Are there languages ripped, extras ripped, are they NTSC, etc. I guess we'll never know because some dork put a dvd, thru one of the DVDtoSomething? apps that tell you to insert the dvd then hit "start". You're done! And said dork thinks that PAL means your buddy.

C'mon you know that's lame and its true.

Regards,

Hugo
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i completely agree, i find a whole lot more crap on torrents then i do on usenet.

i personaly like usenet much more but i do love the communities in a couple of torrent sites i use, but now with seedboxs becoming more popular is becoming hard to compete when i have a resonably slow up.

but for me it also depends on what im downloading.. for music, usenet cant compete with the likes of what.cd **perfect example of seedboxes making it hard to keep good ratio**

but for HD, DVD/DVD9, DVD rip - movies in general Usenet owns torrent in style.

i think a really good private usenet site is missing within the usenet community.. there are a couple out there iv looked into but i have to say i dont spend any time in them..
 
Staying under the radar is relative. It's a long time ago when Usenet really was a secret.

When I was in France on vacation last year, I already saw it in the press:



There also has been a lawsuit from the music industry against usenet.com.
Now this wasn't about the newsgroups per se, but obviously public awareness about this method increases.

On FST, viewers in Newsgroups seem to catch up those in BitTorrent.
 
Unless your a grab em' all kind of person....you can search almost anything and out of 25 results, 20 could be virus's, ya just gotta pay attention, don't go whilly nilly on them, unless you packing NOD32 or something similar :lol:
 
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