Pros and Cons of Usenet
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Paul Mikulskis
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I mostly use torrents for Games and Apps, so I can't really comment on movies. I can see where you are coming from though. For a game or app I will always see enough comments to make me feel comfortable that it's working.
Agreed. I downloaded any oversized "Gran Torino DVD Rip" and it turned out to be a DVDSCR :lol:.
No nfo just english subs.
I'm sorry p2pers but you're fucking hopeless.
Don't get me started with p2p crackers/downloaders.
You look through the comments and they complain that a scene rls from a quality bot like loder (On TPB) is a 'virus'.
They can't even read nfo's on how to apply cracks and bitch about scene rars.
No nfo just english subs.
I'm sorry p2pers but you're fucking hopeless.
Don't get me started with p2p crackers/downloaders.
You look through the comments and they complain that a scene rls from a quality bot like loder (On TPB) is a 'virus'.
They can't even read nfo's on how to apply cracks and bitch about scene rars.
♫Ich♥Liebe♥Dich♫
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Recently some ppl are posting files that obviously are virus ou garbage.
But that happens in torrents too
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Most of the times you just have to check the file size, or see who is the poster, or check if "that" release even exists.
Or you can still come here and download NZBs
But that happens in torrents too
.Most of the times you just have to check the file size, or see who is the poster, or check if "that" release even exists.
Or you can still come here and download NZBs
Was just thinking about all the pros and cons of Usenet and this is what I came up with:
Pros.
Pros.
- Uncapped Speeds.
- Decent Pre Times.
- SSL (Higher Anonymity then Private Trackers).
- Unlimited Downloads.
- Broad Range of Discussions.
- Retention (but we shouldn't worry about that soon with the Astraweb vs Giganews retention wars
). - Hard to get around at first.
- Mostly only Scene/Higher class P2P releases.
- No ratio to brag about.
- You have to pay.
why thanks for the insight.. iv got plenty of experience here also
sure thing matey :blink:
i dont need to look hard, usenet is easy to find everything im looking for .. and i didnt say "YOU" couldnt find what "YOU" were looking for..
its not a matter of me believing you, its a matter of me not agreeing with that your saying.
i worked for google contracting for a while so im pretty sure i can use it just fine
Well then why be such a smartass about it then? I've been using emule for as long as it's been around, and millions and millions obviously think it's good to :lol:
I use usenet for all the new hot files, that way I don't have to worry about my ISP contacting me, but for almost everything else is P2P.
Oh, ok, think about this for a second, on eMule, files are shared for as long as the file keeps hoping from user to user, as with Usenet, it's only available for 365 days, unless someone reposts...for longevity and rare/old movies P2P is SO much better, but for quick downloads on newer stuff, Usenet is the way to go. But if you want quality rips (AFR) and the like , eMule is the way to go.
captain_charisma1
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So much for a "friendly" discussion!
I hope you don't think I'm a smartass just because I don't agree with you.
To me this could be considered a CON not a PRO. C'mon now, your making it too easy for me to comment on this point. That's not fair. I won't even go there. Sorry, I could never use that argument
I don't understand why your ISP would contact you. Can you d/l as much as you want from usenet? If you can't that might explain your affection for P2P.
Couldn't disagree with you more. Almost all my usenet activity is with movies. Maybe what you consider rare/old movies is different from me. For me DVD's from the Criterion Collection might be considered classic/old movies. I'm d/l a 1964 Japanese classic film (Criterion)that I requested just 2 days ago from a newsgroup that just posts CC movies. Now to me thats service!
To me, the fact that you said you're worried about being contacted by your ISP when you're using usenet explains everything.
Regards,
Hugo
I hope you don't think I'm a smartass just because I don't agree with you.
To me this could be considered a CON not a PRO. C'mon now, your making it too easy for me to comment on this point. That's not fair. I won't even go there. Sorry, I could never use that argument
I don't understand why your ISP would contact you. Can you d/l as much as you want from usenet? If you can't that might explain your affection for P2P.
Couldn't disagree with you more. Almost all my usenet activity is with movies. Maybe what you consider rare/old movies is different from me. For me DVD's from the Criterion Collection might be considered classic/old movies. I'm d/l a 1964 Japanese classic film (Criterion)that I requested just 2 days ago from a newsgroup that just posts CC movies. Now to me thats service!
To me a "quality rip" is an oxymoron but then again I don't know what you mean by AFR. Especially today there's no reason for me to not go for a full DVD5/9 only.
To me, the fact that you said you're worried about being contacted by your ISP when you're using usenet explains everything.
Regards,
Hugo
chelseafcfreak
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Every thing you mentioned is right on; I've said this before and will repeat it now, torrents are for 'little kiddies'. Why, you ask?
Because instead of paying a little tiny bit (for me, usenet server costs are around 1/4 above what I pay for internet service to begin with), and the amount of time I would have to spend chasing after stuff on the torrents would quickly get 'real old', and I do mean, REAL OLD. On usenet, 90+% of the time, I know exactly what I'm spending time (and money) to get. Back when I 'tried out' P2P, about 80+% of my time and effort was wasted in chasing after things that (usually) really didn't exist.
Or maybe they did, but the 'system' wouldn't deliver what it promised.
Now, I know that folks in Europe (especially) don't realize it, but where I live, most counties (sub-part of states) are LARGER than most European countries (France excluded, but Texas is about as big), and fast internet access is few and far between, and expensive when it is available.
That's why usenet costs are a small percentage of the total internet ISP access costs. For me, lets se, Astraweb is 25% of what my internet line costs are (to do the math for you, I pay $35US for 3Mb/s and astra is $11, so... there's the math).
VERY cheap as part of the total costs. I could go cable-modem, but P2P is banned on that system, so so much for 'faster'. Plus the costs are 2-3 times higher for around 5 times faster.
So you're right, it comes down to aggravation. I won't deal with it, haven't for about 10 years. Usenet been 'berry berry good to me!'.
P2P is still good, you just have to know were to look...I have two great ed2k sites and one or two torrent sites that have just as much as Newsgroups do...NGs are faster for me, but ed2k has the old/collector/and 0day/movies/games/music that everything has...
That's what you get for downloading something without no NFO or info, bandwidth waster :lol:
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hugoblank said:
AFR stands for Advanced Filesize Regulation, which is a recent DVD-rip standard that relaxes the traditional 700MB file size standard, so you can burn several of these AFR files onto a DVD-R without having empty space left over. I don't think AFR is used outside of the hardcore ED2K community.
I just realized that this month marks my eight-year anniversary since I began using edonkey.
(But since SR, SC, PD101/DD and SL shut down, I've largely dropped out of the ed2k 'scene')
When Bittorrent started getting popular, I rarely used it, since I could use newsgroups for big files (and fast downloads) and recent and popular material, and I used ED2K for all the rest. Over the past 4 or 5 years, ED2K has declined, while Bittorrent and usenet have grown tremendously in both popularity and available material. And then "one-click" file hosting sites like Rapidshare have literally exploded.
As far as releasing files go, I somehow always seemed to feel safer releasing files on ED2K than posting them on usenet. When releasing on ed2k, it's easy to just share the file for a day or so, then unshare it and move on to something else. With Usenet, though, I was always aware that I was identifiable from the article header info, which remained for as long as the file was available. With ed2k releases, it was very easy to disappear into the crowd (and then out of the crowd), making it difficult for any possible investigator to figure out who the original releaser actually was.
Another thing is that some for-pay NSPs (warning to all Highwinds users!) mark every post of an account with a unique code, making it possible for anyone to trace all your posts (and find every post you ever made) regardless of how many times you changed your details such as name, email, or IP address.
It's not unlimited for anyone, you have to pay for the unlimited service or block. You missed the MAJOR con, it's PAY FOR (his)noodly_appendage
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It's funny I was going to say that torrent/P2P advocates are for peeps, noobs, adolescents, children, cavemen ("its so easy even a...") also, but I didn't (until just now).
I'm really not ANTI-torrent. I will occasssionaly d/l a torrent. I just don't think that the folks that are so militant about the superiority of torrents have any real experience with usenet.
The real reason the torrent folks don't like usenet is not because its not free, its because you have to have a little gray matter between your ears in order to appreciate it. Irc is free. I bet the torrent advocates don't even know how to spell irc.
Hey if you don't mind begging, and dancing around and jumping thru hoops to get to all these private torrent tracker sites that want you to believe they own the scene, thats cool.
I just wonder if the folks know where the real source of the scene releases are. Do you all think its torrents, usenet, irc or other?
Regards,
Hugo
BigJakeB5364
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It costs $$
No it's not a joke.....why not try visiting some other sites....like for instance, I would rather have www.fileheaven.org over any site and the content movie wise will, well smoke whatever your thinking. I can get exactly the same stuff from p2p and trusted sources....so it's maybe you who's not looking hard enuff :whistling Don't believe me, use Google :ermm: Maybe you should use something else besides Ares?
Thanks Zot for the info about AFR.
I think you make a good point about the "flexibility" a P2P poster has and the more permanent nature of usenet postings and security. I think (hope) that usenet is not under as much scrutiny as P2P is right now.
I think that originally P2P was targeted at a mass market of folks that either thought that usenet was too complicated or were new to the whole thing. And since that time P2P operators have tried to be more discriminating, i.e. private sites, etc. I think that this change is related to security issues more than it has to do with sharing ratios and leeching concerns.
Ironically. a few posts before this one, someone was boasting about the the millions and millions of ED2K users. It seems to me that it would be easier and more fruitful to "go after" the millions and millions of those folks, than to bother with the thousands and thousands of others.
For me, outside of what I see as the pro's of usenet, I think there is an advantage to not being apart of the millions and millions who sign up for the "simple, anyone can do it" plan.
IRC and Usenet have been around for a really long time and I think there's a reason for that. Kazaa, and other P2P's haven't survived long at all and, there's a reason for that too.
Regards,
Hugo
I think you make a good point about the "flexibility" a P2P poster has and the more permanent nature of usenet postings and security. I think (hope) that usenet is not under as much scrutiny as P2P is right now.
I think that originally P2P was targeted at a mass market of folks that either thought that usenet was too complicated or were new to the whole thing. And since that time P2P operators have tried to be more discriminating, i.e. private sites, etc. I think that this change is related to security issues more than it has to do with sharing ratios and leeching concerns.
Ironically. a few posts before this one, someone was boasting about the the millions and millions of ED2K users. It seems to me that it would be easier and more fruitful to "go after" the millions and millions of those folks, than to bother with the thousands and thousands of others.
For me, outside of what I see as the pro's of usenet, I think there is an advantage to not being apart of the millions and millions who sign up for the "simple, anyone can do it" plan.
IRC and Usenet have been around for a really long time and I think there's a reason for that. Kazaa, and other P2P's haven't survived long at all and, there's a reason for that too.
Regards,
Hugo
dudemanman
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CON: Costs $$$