Power Commander 5 and Auto Tune Info

This is my first post ever here, so no laughing please. Seriously though, I'm currently stationed in Iraq and will be home soon (Thank God, 2nd tour). I'm getting an 09 Road Glide and want to do the following: V+H True Dual Headers, ST1 A/C, Jackpot Mufflers, PC V and Autotuner. The H/D dealer informed that they won't put on any after market parts bought outside of the dealership because they can't guarantee fit, right stuff, etc, etc. I say BullSH%T! Money, as usual with them. This isn't my first Harley. I'm capable of doing all the oil changes, bleeding brake lines and putting on new brakes and other small jobs. No mechanic by a long shot I admit, but still trying some things. Since the dealer won't put this stuff on for me, I was wondering how difficult it would be for myself to do it? Any ideas?

Next question, this fuel management stuff is WAY over my head. I've been reading and am still admittedly quite lost. Do I need the dealer to put in a Stage 1 download if I'm putting on the PC V and possibly the Autotuner?

Now to the last question, if I'm just putting the above mentioned equipment on and don't plan on doing any other upgrades, is the Auto Tuner really required? I'm ordering from FuelMoto as I have read nothing but good things about them here and it seems their trust was well earned.

Thanks in advance for any help anyone may be able to give me, I appreciate it.
 
Thanks for serving!



You will be able to do this install no problem. If you need help give Jamie or Keith a call they are great.



No you don't need the stage 1 download. The PCV will do everything you need.



FuelMoto's maps are very good. You really dont have to have the autotune module but I got one because I think that adding wideband sensors and giving the bike the ability to autotune across all RPM range and throttle positions was a good thing. If something does change down the road the bike (PCV w/AT) will adjust.

Thanks again. God Bless.
 
Screw the dealer and DIY. I'll echo Dennis and say that everything you've listed is an easy install.



No, the Stage 1 download is a waste of money unless you have no plans of buying a real EFI controller in the future.



No, FM's maps are very accurate. Dennis makes good points on AT, but what he didn't tell you is that he bought his AT party because he likes to tweak. I can say this because as a tweaker myself it takes one to know one. Right Dennis? That said, it really isn't needed for most applications, unless like you said more upgrades are expected down the line (cams, etc.). If you do you can upgrade to AT at that time, or just ask FM for an applicable map upgrade for the basic PCV.



Good idea and you won't be sorry. Also consider their Dyno-Tuned Jackpot mufflers, as the TD's you are considering will hurt low-end performance somewhat. Jackpots are very trick performance boosters at a very low price. OTOH if you're set on the TD's, FM probably sells those too and will work them into a custom Power Package (PCV, AC, and mufflers). They have hundreds of maps for various combos but don't have every conceivable grouping of parts, so ask first.
 
I already have the Fuel Moto PC-V system and am well pleased with it. However, I am going to get the Auto-Tune unit just so I can get the wide band 02 sensors. I am anal about the bike and do not like the o2 wires tangling or tied up the way I have them
 
First I'd like to say thank you for your timely very helpful replies. I'm thinking with help like this, I may stay out of the dealerships for most things all together.

Now you said something about the TD's hurting low end performance, which I've heard in the past. Now my question is do you suggest staying with the stock pipes and getting the Dyno Tuned Jackpots? The way I was reading FM's website, it seemed the Dyno Tuned mufflers were for stock pipes only, with the Jackpot Classics being for TD's. I'll admit I like the TD look and when I put them on my current bike it stopped the backfiring and sputtering while downshifting. Will that being said, what do you suggest?

I'm thinking I may wait on the AT for the time being as well. If I make any future upgrades, I'll put out for it then.

Once again, thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

Safe riding to you all.
 
You're right that the DT Jackpots will only work on the stock head pipes. Stock mufflers will be your quietest option but will choke up the engine and stifle performance to the tune of about 6HP and 8 ft/lbs of TQ according to a Fuel Moto dyno chart.

You are also correct that TD's will hurt the low-end, but you'll have to establish your own priorities. If you must have DT's you must go with symmetrical mufflers, which AFAIK is everything on the market except the DT Jackpots. Classic JP's will work but even after the low-end loss from the DT's you'll also lose a bit with the mufflers compared to the DT variety. Jamie can give more detailed info on how much loss there will be, etc., as he's dyno tuned hundreds of combinations.

As mentioned earlier that's worth mentioning again, Auto-Tune is an worthwhile device when needed, but isn't necessary for most riders.
 
You are correct Sir! I bought the AT because I like to tweak. Jamie's map was very accurate for my bike and I would have been fine without AT. Having said that - since I now have AT and used it, I do believe that having wideband sensors and autotuning across all RPMs and TPs is a very good benefit. Is it necessary? Probably not, given the good maps available, but I like the results. Also I end up changing stuff all the time. Probably will put on a SE Heavy Breather I have next - at least for a little while.
 
I had a friend help me install the autotune modules tonight. The front sensor was easy. Box end 7/8. For the rear, had to use/purchase a crows foot 7/8. It really helps when the bike is warm (thanks ICLICk). I have to re-read all the posts to make sure it is really working, the fly by pants dyno sure seems to, but I want to see the data and monitor the adjustments. Thanks for all you help.

BTW the sensors come with neversize!
 
For those of you planning on buying AT, consider a sensor socket like this one. Just slap a long extension on it and you're in business. Don't rotate more than a half-turn or so before repositioning so the wires don't get crimped up and tear.
 
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