police officer spraying nonviolent protesters in face with pepper spray @ uc davis

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Your example is flawed because you're comparing arresting one person opposed to multiple people. In any situation police officers ALWAYS want to outnuraber the subjects. Hence why you'll see two/three cop cars behind a pulled over vehicle. In this case they need to remove and possibly arrest 20 or so people. Yes, they're non-violent, but they're still directly disobeying a direct order. In a perfect world they could just arrest them, but in law enforcement you don't pussy foot around and take a situation for granted. You have to assume the worst and as such it's in your best interest to incapacitate the group before you arrest them instead of have them fully functioning.
 
It wasn't just that they were sitting there. Its that they were sitting there in an effort to prevent police from removing the tents that had been set up unlawfully.

This video is hilarious.
 
I generally don't side with the hippy protestors in these videos, but judging from only the context I've seen, the police are grossly misusing force here. There are at least as many cops in that video as students blocking the path.
 
Now they did set up tents unlawfully, but to say they were sitting there guarding them... The group of people sitting down were no where near any tents. Any police person could walk around them and set down the tents (where ever they may be)
 
b/c the cops didn't choose to hose the hippies away: i despise big government, half of the dickwad cops out there on their power trips, and the diminishing civil rights and liberties we have, but this is one rare instance where i personally feel the pepper spray actually wasn't that bad of a reaction, justified or no. no, the students weren't violent, but asshat behavior - like what the students displayed - is usually met with more asshat behavior - ie pepper spraying students. laws and rules dont change human nature........
and when one asshat has more tools at his disposal than the other asshat, one of them is going to end up very unhappy.

there is a difference between blindly protesting and complaining because you feel entitled to something and logically thinking about and changing how the UC system got into this huge mess in the first place and then doing something logical to fix it. unfortunately too many of the kiRAB, often reserabling the ones i see in these police videos, that i meet in college, the place where you are supposed to learn how to think and solve problems, do not think and then do something to solve problems. instead they ask for everything while wanting to give and do nothing.
 
Edit: Decided to read. Yeah this was pretty stupid. The cops had no reason to do what they did. Claiming that they were "surrounded" by the protesters and took action to get out from them. What a joke.
 
Pepper sprayed at point blank range...yeah...that's usually how pepper spray works. These guys are probably going to get hung by their balls and lose their job over a bunch of pussies that can't take simple orders and suffer the consequences for it. Cool. Can't wait til cops are too scared to even do their job, things will be so much better.
 
Why would they have to move? I agree its stupid that you would take pepper spray to the face over this, but just because a cop tells you to do something doesn't mean you have to do it. They enforce laws, not make them.
 
because wwhat these protestors are doing are definitely threatening to society. The cops are giving them more power by pepper spraying them then just standing around and making sure nothing gets out of hand.
 
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ok if you really want to sink down to playing word games, semantics, and high school debate team... but really tell me how im wrong and that what im saying is not true. if i am and you can legitimately show me how, id be more than happy to listen. im not here to prove myself right...

imo all this best protest stuff is 1960's logic/approach applied to a 2010's issue. protest if you want, but it probably wont change much. instead be smart and attack the problem at its root - oh wait that involves a few inconvenient truths about the students as well, not just poor choices by UC management? if it was easy to fix the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.

btw I like many others here am also in the UC system so these increased tuition costs and decreases in quality of education that I pay for (no not my parents or financial aid) do affect me in a real and negative manner. im just as upset at these hikes as the next guy, but id much rather address the issue in a more effective manner than best protests - i want to get what i still can out of these classes i paid for.
 
On the use of force hierarchy, pepper spray and tazers are below hanRAB-on and only slightly above verbal orders. That's right. Before you get punched in the head, you get a shot of hot sauce in the face. You get one chance. Don't move? Spray. Don't move again? Push. I'm sorry but spray is for the officer's safety. It's safer for him to spray you than to get physical. Besides, I've been sprayed with pepper spray. It's not that bad. I'll take that over a billy club to the teeth.

As for the video, I can't see it but more often than not, hippies are wrong and I agree with the majority of this thread, except for it not being about pianos. Freedom of expression is a glorious right given to us by the forefathers. We're exercising it right now. But pushing the limits of that right is the reason why nothing gets done. A lot of people riot and protest for the sake of rioting and protesting. As stated before on these boarRAB, a lot of them have not idea why they're there. A guy in my area owns a waterfront hotel and travels to NYC to protest big corporations and money? KIss off. You don't know why you protest.


In most states, it's a high misdemeanor, low level felony to disobey an order from a police officer. You're much better off following the order, then talking to his superiors if you really feel like he did something wrong. It not smart to confront a guy with club, taser and oh a gun. "But but but he wasn't supposed to hit, spray or shoot me." Cool, as you say that laying in a hospital bed.
 
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