Please?

chow_mein said:
so your against trading cause its breaks site rules, yet you willing to break them by doing giveaways? :lol:

lets hope you get reported, should you do any :P
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You will not find one giveaway here that I have done...Or anywhere for that matter...Seedhours at TTi are the extent of my past giveaways.
 
6 Months is long enough, although the "Traders" don't get second chances, that is if they even did anything in the first place.

Don't get me wrong here. I never traded, but there are limits to anything and question is who are the worst people.
 
If the qualification of "random" in your post is the essence of the difference, then you're missing the point.

Giveaways/recruitments are open to whoever is willing to take a couple of screenshots and upload them to an imagehost. Run a speedtest. Answer a few questions maybe.

The difference in who is giving is not important except in the case where a site is actively seeking to stop public giveaways. So it only matters when someone like the OP is out there hunting and reporting the giveaway. It doesn't matter generally who gives the invite because they are already a member. Sure, an authorized giveaway has the express confidence of the staff, but it's who is receiving the invite that matters. It's the random user who receives the invite that is the problem.

I've signed up at so many sites through giveaways, recruitments, irc interviews, http application forms, even trades and friendly trades. I know from experience that those recruitment efforts are hardly more secure than the random user giving out invites because I've never been denied...
 
I am relatively new to all this BT drama and politics and I really hope that I don't gain experience in it. As of such, I have never known you or the issues surrounding you and perhaps my opinion can provide an outsiders perspective on the issue without any previous biases.

To be honest, I probably would have respected you better if you had just said that you had hunted traders in an attempt to climb your way up the BT ladder. At least in that regard you had a specific and ulterior purpose in mind when you were deceiving other users. You had mentioned that you had already acquired all your "dream trackers" before hunting traders and that because of that, you were simply only doing it for the pleasure of catching traders. Essentially, every day, you were purposely acting deceitfully among the members of FST for the sheer pleasure of tricking members of this forum? What does that say about your character as a person?

You had mentioned that the traders were the cancer of BT. And as of such, they were destroying the security, integrity, and well being of a tracker. I completely agree with the fact that traders are detrimental to a tracker. But do two wrongs make a right? How can anyone in their right mind claim that constantly lying, deceiving, and tricking other members of a site for the sole purpose of screwing them over, while at the same time taking pleasure in doing it is any better than trading?

You had mentioned that you had earned the trust of other upstanding members in the community in order to gain entrance into some of the most elusive trackers. How can you even use the word trust in this context without sounding incredibly hypocritical?

Because of this, I had voted no in the poll. I simply can't fathom how I would trust a member that would go to these lengths to deceive. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and that you have changed your ways, but as with your busting of trading, its hard to give people a second chance.
 
Night0wl said:
In my mind people can be bad, but there is no worse type of character than the mole, rat, narc, spy or otherwise deceptionist.
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A trader uses deception as well, after all they are NOT on a tracker using THEIR account but the person who they traded with to get on said tracker. It's funny how some see it one way and use it to defend when it equally applies the other way too.
 
TrollinThunder said:
If the qualification of "random" in your post is the essence of the difference, then you're missing the point.

Giveaways/recruitments are open to whoever is willing to take a couple of screenshots and upload them to an imagehost. Run a speedtest. Answer a few questions maybe.

The difference in who is giving is not important except in the case where a site is actively seeking to stop public giveaways. So it only matters when someone like the OP is out there hunting and reporting the giveaway. It doesn't matter generally who gives the invite because they are already a member. Sure, an authorized giveaway has the express confidence of the staff, but it's who is receiving the invite that matters. It's the random user who receives the invite that is the problem.

I've signed up at so many sites through giveaways, recruitments, irc interviews, http application forms, even trades and friendly trades. I know from experience that those recruitment efforts are hardly more secure than the random user giving out invites because I've never been denied...
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I'm not talking about who receives the invitation, I'm talking about who's offering them and under what pretenses.

chow_mein's reply was that bumrocks was breaking tracker rules via his "giveaways", at which point bumrocks pointed out he never did any actual "giveaways", he has only done recruitment. That was the point I was mainly arguing, that he wasn't breaking any rules due to the fact that it was an authorized recruitment thread, and that an authorized recruitment thread cannot and should not be misinterpreted as a "public giveaway" and is in fact not breaking said rules.
 
I don't like being lied to and even less when it's from a person who is supposedly a friend.I also believe it is a greater "sin" to be duplicitous while feigning a moral high ground..
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any comment/answer to this OP?
 
what did you do ??..and i dun see red disabled privs below your username...i dunno why..maybe it's my browser..because i can see other disabled privs account..

ps: i thought albo was only banned from cfs..didnt know he was also banned from several trackers. what did he do? was it bad?
 
It doesn't seem that we know the exact circumstances of what went on here - was this done for a specific site and were only certain traders targeted?

There are some traders here who seem to flaunt the trading in the faces of the tracker staff and trading to them seems to be purely for the buzz....sort of "catch me if you can". Personally I don't see anything wrong with getting rid of that type of scum out of the trackers and if it means resorting to underhand tactics then that's how it has to be.

On the other hand if its just a case of catching a trader, any trader, even one doing it for the first time, then that is a different story. Big fish yes....little fish no.

Sometimes the end justifies the means.

Maybe bumrocks could expand a little more on what went on and as far as the DPs go if it is simply to get back pm privileges and not for the purpose of accessing the trade section then I don't see anything wrong with that.

Idol - is there an actual rule here about baiting traders or is it simply an unwritten rule? Not that I'm going to go dangling my rod out there.
 
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