Please?

I've done alot of writing already, so I am going to try and keep this short. You too were one of those that I liked and respected. In no particular order though...

I was going through alot in my personal life when all the crap went down with you (along with albo) and on top of that I had a super crap connection on my back porch where I was leeching off a neighbors wifi. I spent little time in forums at that time. Anyhoo...Like albo's circumstance, I had no idea what happened or happened to you until it was long over with. So, I did not have the opportunity to question you during the happs...What I do know now, is what you did in regards to 2 different sites and not adhering to their security. If there was a pole in those sites as to whether you should be let back in I, like you, would have to vote "no". Truly I was at a loss as to why you did what you did. Much the same as your opinion of me atm, I expected better.

On the "never forgave a trader" part...Totally bad statement. There is a shiteload of posts and PMs to the contrary. As a recruiter I forgave ALOT of people who once traded. As mentioned in another post I would rather forgive and help a trader than continue the "hate war".

You did it because you want to please someone, who are a cancer. And FST was just some means to you.
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I explained a couple post ago on this...Honesty alert! Popping traders brought me pleasure. They are the cancer! You are a little mixed up...Or we have to agree to disagree...

And another thing...I am straight up enough to say I was wrong. Explain in detail what I did wrong and apologize. You compromise the security of two different sites and to this day still don't care to do so by posting links and what have you. What I did here I admit to and know I deseve everything that is due to me. You will never hear me cry or whine about FST dickin me around cause I got what I deserved.

On a couple of occasions I have dropped hints that I would like my privs back but until now I have never made a straight and formal request. I waited almost exactly 6 months to do that. I have never pretended to be innocent, perfect, or the like.
 
bumrocks said:
I actually thought I would not see a post from you. I am about to ramble aimlessly, btw. This one I didn't expect. Personally, I have always liked you and guess I will have to resort to just just respecting you. I have always done the exact opposite of lie to you. I have stood up for you when NOBODY else would...I am at a loss as to how I have lied to you? I WAS A MEMBER OF LEVEL 9 AND 8 SITES LONG BEFORE I ever caught, chased, or reported the first trader. If you can find where I did so more than 64 weeks ago than I shall be shocked, amazed, and will then have to call you a liar/fabricator. As a matter of fact my first IP was captured on Decemeber 5, 2008. The user here was akwrz. I log everything...The point being is that you can think or assume I tried to make friends for personal gain, but I already had friends.

The ones I reported were straight busted...There was no guesswork in the process which I used. There was nothing to plead. My true hopes was that they learned a lesson, for the noob trader, and total grief or irritation by the hardcore. Some of these people are ones I would actually mentor afterwards or at least try to. I can provide additional info on this. I have always been here to help or hinder...I prefer to help.

Whatever ill will you have for me, I apologize. There are things I can't say here and hope that you PM me elsewhere. I will not PM you and impose myself on you but hope to hear from you...
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So you can't like me anymore because I question your ethics or motives?
OK I retract the lie part but you can't deny you deceived me which basically amounts to the same thing.
As for the sites I don't really care but you weren't on everything a year ago that yo are now. I'm not saying your involvment in phishing IPs had anything to do with it but let's just get all the facts straight.

Really bumrocks I personally don't have anything against you but I do have serious issues with some things you've done.

And thank you for defending me but I feel, as no doubt you do here ,that I've never done anything that I needed to defend myself against .

Also you don't need my permission to PM me anyplace.I'd be happpy to here from you.Besides all this crap is tracker related and doesn't have anything to with us a real peoplewhich in my case means raking leaves which I'm now off to do .I'll caught up later.

@ca_aok politics and probity have very little in common.
 
well, whatever interaction i have had with this guy, has been really nice..
he has helped me out a lot selflessly, without expecting anything in return. So yeah +1 from me :)
I dont even know what disabled privs are, i thought it stood for disabled user or sumthin , whatever....


PS::
You are almost as old as my dad. Dont you have other bigger issues. LOL
Retirement even!! :P jokin.
Hit me up on any IRC for a friendly banter. :D
 
TrueSounds said:
Sometimes I play devil's advocate, and this is the case right now. I'm fine with whatever the community as a whole wants. If it's a 50-50 vote or something even remotely close then obviously I would side against due to the fact that alot of people do not want the trader hunter to get pms back. If the community fully wants his account to get fully re-instated then I'd support that.
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Why even have mods then? Why doesnt everyone just vote on everything that happens here?

Dont like someone? Start a poll to ban them. Want to change a section of the forums? Start a poll to get it done.

Ridiculous.
 
I voted yes, I don't care that you were hunting traders, the fact that they were trying to trade means they got what they deserved. All the traders will vote no (for the most part), they only think of themselves, they don't think about anything but the "next" rush from trying to get into the next uber-1337 site.

I could care what anyone thinks of that statement or whether FST condones trading or not. If you are out of it now bumrocks that is fine as well. What your motives are/were or even if there were any at all, doesn't matter to me.

Glad to see you have your privileges back, take care and don't be a stranger.
 
Albo Da Kid said:
Alright bumrocks but cmon.. that's what all you guys say(I couldn;t do anything about it) .
Even if you weren't the one who was takign action, you witnessed it happening and yet you didn't even speak against it at least or question their proofs...
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I will PM you if I get the opportunity...I believe you are giving me too much credit on all that goes on...I am a member of many sites. Some I spend more time at then others. Some more one day and less the next. I had no clue as to what happened to you until it was long over with...It took me seeing one of your posts with "banned" next to your name before I knew anything...I have no reason to BS you at this point and I assure you I am not.
 
I believe in second chances. I'd be interested to read of your adventures hunting traders. How many heads do you have on the wall? What was your favorite weapon? Etc.
 
deadalive1 said:
How does me pointing out that the statement I quoted could be applied the same way in the opposite direction, have anything to do with the threat you made of handing out my IP address?

If you support trading that's your right to do so, my right is to believe as I see fit for myself.

And on your question, when Person A gets into a tracker they agree to rules of said tracker. When Person A then proceeds to ignore said rules and then trades that account to Person B, they violated said rules of the tracker.
Now, when Persons A + B do it on a forum that condones it, but then gets pissed off when someone hunts said traders because according to their rules it's ok to trade yet NOT ok to have said traders be hunted (in essence protecting them), we know which group is preferred.

If the staff here decides someone doesn't get a second chance because of violation of THEIR rules then that is their right to do so, as it is for the staff who have accounts traded of their trackers.

I actually know a few people who have gone that route and had their accounts enabled again, whether it be because of a second chance or a change of heart on the account holders end, so it DOES happen albeit not frequently.

I, personally haven't hunted anyone here, I know better as I know how protected they are here. Hell, that's mostly the reason why FST lost a shitload of Reps from trackers here and along with it's credibility.

Not at anytime did I threaten you or even was I talking to you, yet you felt the need to cleverly word a threat about my IP address, and yes it was a threat no matter how you may of worded it...
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I was trying to make the point that giving out IPs to anyone is wrong.I don't know how I could have possibly taken it any other way.Even if you misconstrued the intent entirely I can't see how you could misss that I said let me give out your IP address as in give me permission. How is that perceived a threat?
Let me take your coat.No.OK fine then keep it.I don't know how I could have been any clearer.

As for supporting trading I'd like you to find one instance of word or deed to support that statement.
Yeah I mod here and there are traders but their are also anti-traders and I don't see anyone saying that by my presence here I am implicitly supporting them.
What as silly statement.Maybe now since there are silly people here I will be labeled a siily supporter.

"And on your question, when Person A gets into a tracker forum they agree to rules of said tracker forum. When Person A then proceeds to ignore said rules and then trades that account to Person B phishes IPs , they violated said rules of the tracker forum.

If the staff here decides someone doesn't get a second chance because of violation of THEIR rules then that is their right to do so".

I don't protect traders I protect an individuals right to privacy trader non-trader,anti-trader,silly person or any name you make up and feel obliged to label someone with.

Christ if you are going to try and crucify me at least do me the courtesy of making a little sense.

Night0wl said:
I bet every single other user on here understood exactly what idol meant with that IP remark.
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He understood it perfectly well .It just didn't fit his agenda.
 
Forgive and forget. Besides, if he didn't do it, someone else would have. Rather than just change his IP and make a new account he asked for forgiveness and I believe he deserves it. You may be thinking to yourselves that the traders he got banned never had a second chance, but it isn't hard to figure out that they will find there way back into the tracker that doesn't want them one way or another, and at least find solace in the face that although bumrocks has the means to circumvent this he doesn't and is upfront about it. Maybe if those traders truly regretted their actions and changed for the better they would be given a second chance as well, maybe they wouldn't, but it's not like bumrocks has a whole lot to gain from having his privileges re-enabled.

Anyways, that's my opinion...
 
IdolEyes787 said:
So you can't like me anymore because I question your ethics or motives?
OK I retract the lie part but you can't deny you deceived me which basically amounts to the same thing.
As for the sites I don't really care but you weren't on everything a year ago that yo are now. I'm not saying your involvment in phishing IPs had anything to do with it but let's just get all the facts straight.

Really bumrocks I personally don't have anything against you but I do have serious issues with some things you've done.

And thank you for defending me but I feel, as no doubt you do here ,that I've never done anything that I needed to defend myself against .

Also you don't need my permission to PM me anyplace.I'd be happpy to here from you.Besides all this crap is tracker related and doesn't have anything to with us a real peoplewhich in my case means raking leaves which I'm now off to do .I'll caught up later...
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No, I still like you. I apologize if i was for deceiving you. I do respect you and regret damaging our relationship. I felt alot of ill will in your first post and hate that I caused that.

Yes, you haven't done anything that needed defending BUT very few are willing to stand up for a FST mod and I was. Maybe I didn't so much defend but for a better choice of words vouched for you. I'll PM you later...My fingers are getting tired...

I can only think of 2 sites that I wasn't on a year ago that I am on now. Both of my inviters made their decisions based on relationships built over time and nothing to do with hunting. 1 probably had no clue that I ever hunted traders. Neither one was a staff member.

Once again I apologize to those I directly disappointed or effected.

If you want my honest answer then ask...
 
No .
I don't like being lied to and even less when it's from a person who is supposedly a friend.I also believe it is a greater "sin" to be duplicitous while feigning a moral high ground.
Also I agree with Martin most people do that kind of thing because they believe it will advance them in the bt hierarchy and by both your history and associations of preference I believe that was the case with you.The sites and people you have gravitated to are not entirely lost on me.

Btw @ Martin uploading isn't necessarily an altruistic thing either .

Is there a possibility that I am misjudging you? Of course, but since you yourself didn't see any gray areas or allow those that you reported any leeway or even as you have been given here a simple chance to plead their case, I think it is highly hypocritical to expect any in return.

Btw I'm not voting because the addendum to the no doesn't entirely coincide with my reasons.
 
Karid said:
Forgive and forget. Besides, if he didn't do it, someone else would have. Rather than just change his IP and make a new account he asked for forgiveness and I believe he deserves it. You may be thinking to yourselves that the traders he got banned never had a second chance, but it isn't hard to figure out that they will find there way back into the tracker that doesn't want them one way or another, and at least find solace in the face that although bumrocks has the means to circumvent this he doesn't and is upfront about it. Maybe if those traders truly regretted their actions and changed for the better they would be given a second chance as well, maybe they wouldn't, but it's not like bumrocks has a whole lot to gain from having his privileges re-enabled.

Anyways, that's my opinion...
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If he has his privs re-instated he could use pms to continue sending links to traders, to get their ip addresses. I don't see why he needs pm's back to keep posting. Dunson was fine with his dp, he kept posting his opinions regardless. :ermm:

I mean if Bumrocks was active while he was DP'ed then maybe I can see why he thinks its time to have them removed. But nothing is stopping him from participating here as is.
 
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