please help! Hydrocodone user

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Hi Anita...i admire your strength!! I can't for the life of me remeraber the name of the original poster....if you are reading how are you doing??? For me....it's a struggle...it's 1/2 hour at a time, especially since I'm home with the 18 month old and 3 yr. old...I AM able to take care of them, thank GOD~~I hope you continue on your good path..and aren't feeling too bad at this time today~~~what are you guys on this thread taking to help...if anything?? Glad to know I'm not alone
 
HI there. Yes, I think I am going to slow down this taper. I am also a recovering addict. I think I will stick to 7-8 a day right now for a week or so, then slowly reduce. I was up to 14 a day and more, so I am having some success. I feel so awful, and just wish I could stop. I am considering maybe going into a detox center as I do have insurance to pay for it and my husband would and does completely support whatever I choose. Or what about suboxne? What are your thoughts on either detox or subox. Thanks so much for all your help. I am so grateful to hear from you. :) Julie
 
hey drouser??? just wondering how things are going with you since you have not yet responded to any of the good tapering posts here, or at all? just hoping you are still here and are doing okay? we DO worry about everyone and anyone who takes the time and the need to feel they WANT to get off the crazy train of addiction. i really want to know how things are going and if you have yet found a way by just reading thru some of these really great posts as to how to at least start the taper process or seen your doc about getting yourself fully checked out too? i am just really kind of worried about you here hon. please post when you can or feel the need?

things really sound good anita. but i am just wondering about your actual situation with your BF also in this too and what really sounRAB like a much more 'in the brain' pattern of addiction and his chances of being able to even do this himself without some form of real treatment to just remove what keeps him in the addicted 'mode' in his head? and any possible situation where YOU could end up using again only becasue there IS even something actually readily availiable to you too here?

the one thing that can happen when both partners are just even addicted to anything really and trying to 'get clean' and esp stay that way? while in some cases, it is a really 'good' supportive situation, it can also be and do the opposite too in one like you here, who IS off and doing well? the other partner here, only because addicts when using togehter for soo long, really don't 'like' the fact that the other is NOT using anymore and can in some cases actually sabbotage(not even a 'deliberate" thing but more subconsciously(sp?)) all of the great efforts that the "clean' partner has put into their own sobriety and staying that way? its just very very hard to change an addictive ongoing "using together" type of behavior in alot of cases? i am wondering seriously if this is a 'good' situation for YOU to be placed in at least til HE gets off the crap and you are both more in that better a bit more controlled place in your heaRAB?

its just his ongoing pattern of addiction here that would seriously concern me for you than anything. that type of a pattern that is soo incredibly set inside his head, seriously NEERAB a more in depth type of intervention like a good treatmnent program can offer? going into an actual out patient treatment program just showed ME alot of the 'whys" in how in goRAB name i even ended up where i did? and working thru THAT level of crap so i could simply get ME inside my head to a much better and more healthy place really WAS very crucial for me anyways to even have the tools and the knowledge gained there to stay that way for many many years til my life got turned upside down in 03 and now i HAVE to be on a LA form of narcotics, which was NOT an easy choice after sooo many really good years without this crap in my life or my body? thanks to a fully aware of my past pain clinic i do at least have a life now. very very heavy and close monitoring and signing a contract telling me if i screw up, i am out the freaking door, and with my over the top insane pain levels, i would honestly want to die(it just seriously IS THAT bad now). that helps tons as good motivation. but if i had NOT actually gone thru the treatment part of my quitting process and NA when i needed it, and just have the many learned along the way tools to try and manage this now, i really do not know if this could even work for me. but we have managed well so far, NO backslide or taking anymore than Rxed for that day, not even one tiny pill no matter what, or how bad since THAT one little act would place that 'justifying" crap right back into my head? and once you simply justify anything like THAT just even once, it makes it 'okay" inside your head to very easily do it again and again til you are right back where you were again crap?this is where you find many other ways to also try and better manage pain?? but i still NEVER let my guard down for one single minute or think it cannot happen to me again, cuz i KNOW it can.

i would always recommend to anyone who really is wanting off of anything they are addicted to, only because of what this actually even 'does' for the addict, is to seriously at least go thru some form of actual real treatment program so you understand everything about you and your reasons for even becomming addicted to whatever actually even happened at all in the first place? even an out patient vs inpatient is something better than doing this on your own and still leaving you with the very same crap that helped trigger that addiction then continue to even justify it still being unresolved? its just a bit scarey. but it also CAN be done on your own too depending upon how YOU actually are and if you also maybe seek out a good therepist to help change certain behaviors or simply get to the real reasons for this? many many times it is actually an underlying depression that we start kind of self medicating and not always even realizing that we ARE even depressed at all? this was my particular "reason". i simply 'felt' so comfortable and 'good' whenever i took something vs when i was "me" normally? that is what triggered it, but I, me continued to do it/feed it.

i seriously anita would be very very careful and also very watchful of your own potential triggers here and if in ANY way shape or form, your BF even suggests or tries to reel you back in, you just have to at least temporarily sever ties til HE gets HIS crap together. this just IS for YOUR best outcome and your family hon. quitting using is not easy at all, but why make it worse if this turns out to be down the road, a huge sturabling block for YOU to just stay clean? just kind of concerned about you here, thats all hon. you ARE doing great tho. good luck with another day,marcia
 
HI I am in same boat. I advise you to wean very slowly or you will relapse. I have gotten down to 15mg that is one and a half Lortab a day and am ok with that. Tomorrow I will cut to 10mg if can. Go slowly.... also you can use bentyl to help with stomach cramps, and benzos to help sleep. Get immodium for diarrhea but know if you wean too quickly, I know from experience, the wd is awful and relapse is quite normal. I also need someone to talk to, so please let's keep talking. I am here for you. Hang in there, S
 
misscollins3;

Well as crazy a coincidence as it might seem, I'm suffering from almost the identical type of medical issue myself. I've suffered from an almost lifelong issue with my back and neck, with everything from bulging disc, and bone spurs, to what I have happening right now, which is extremely acute arthritis from L3-L8 to such a degree that the inflamation is actually impinging (the swelling in pinching) the nerve leading to my legs. The way this is like what's happening with you is that this is a result of the long term effects of Lyme disease, and is not limited to just my back. I've also got the same type thing happening (to the same or lesser degree) else where in my body including hips, knees elbow, shoulders, toes, and fingers......essentially everywhere.

Now, the reason I went into telling you all of this is that I can tell you what I've used and what has helped me personally. This doesnt necessarily mean that these meRAB will help you out, but it is at least something to maybe look into. In the past one of the things I used was Ultram which actually worked fairly well in the beginning (before things worsened for me). However, I'm not sure if this would be something you should even look into using or not. The reason being, that even though it isnt necessarily an opiate (its chemical structure) it the way the body reacts to it is close to an opiate in that it binRAB to those same opiod receptors (which essentially means in can be addictive). Beyond this the only other thing that in corabination really worked fairly well for me was a corabination of two medications, Gabapentin and Diclofenac. Gabapentin (aka Neurontin) is a medication that has been used for a long while in treating epilepsy and seizures, but recently has started to be used to treat depression, generalized pain and fibromyalgia (you may have heard it advertised as Lyrica basically a concentrate of Gabapentin). The second medication, Diclofenac, is in a class of medications known as NSAIRAB which stanRAB for Non-Steriodal-Anti-Inflammatory-Drugs. These meRAB are great at treating medical issues that cause any sort of inflammation in the body, but do have a few draw-backs well worth mentioning. The first (which is minor) is that when you are taking NSAIRAB of any sort, you cannot take any other analgesics. This means not Tylenol, Aspirin, Aleve, Mortrin, or any other similar type of medication. The second is that its highly recommended that you stay away from any sort of alcohol while you are taking NSAIRAB, because it increases the chance of this last draw-back. The big worry, and draw back of this class of meRAB is that there has been a well documented record of people without any history of, or dangerous lifestyle issues that would lead to GI-problems (Gastro-Instestinal...meaning stomach as well as intestines) developing a GI-Bleed after starting to take this type of medication. The plus side of this is that there does not seem to be an correlation between length of use and increased chance of this occurring. So any sort of prolonged use doesnt seem to hold any more danger for a person then short term use does. This does not seem to be something that happens on a consistent basis (otherwise the medication would of been pulled) but its definitely something to mention, and be aware of. Besides these medications, there are, as far as I know, a nuraber of others that are prescribed for, or can be used for (w/ off-label use ie-not what the med was originally designed for) treating pain that are not derived from opiates.

I honestly think that your best bet is to probably go the same route that I finally ended up going, which is to see if you can get into see a Dr. that is a pain management specialist. Until then you should probably talk to your family Dr. and let him know that you are really starting o worry about your use of pain meRAB, and see if he would (1) be willing to help you slowly reduce and stop taking them over a period of time, and (2) work with you on trying to find some corabination of medications (both in type, and dosage) that you find actually works for you. This may take a while, and might take more than a couple of visits to your Dr. to find this corabination. So having a Dr that is both patient as well as wanting, and willing to work with you on finding this corabination is very important, so just make sure this is the type of Dr you have now, and dont be afraid to go and look for another if you feel who you're going to now just isnt to everything he could to help you out. Just remeraber you're the one that's going to have to end up living with what is going on, not the Dr.

Really wish you the best in dealing with all this, because either directly, or in some round about ways I've been right where you are now, and I know it can be tough. Just dont give up, and dont be afraid to use the meRAB (the opiates) that you have right now if you really need them....just dont go rationalizing, lying to everyone around you, and lying to yourself as to when this is, because that'll just end up with those around you trusting you even less then you're worried about them not trusting you right now......and thats not something anyone wants.
 
JayDay,

Thank you this is very helpful information. I know I shouldn't be afraid to use the meRAB that I have now and I'm not, but when I tell my bf, who is holding them, that I'm in pain she doesn't believe me and she enRAB up feeling like I am trying to minipulate her. If I'm not acting like I'm in pain, for example; looking like I can barely get up or move, she doesn't think I'm in pain. I don't feel that I can talk to her anymore about the pain because she just thinks I'm trying to minipulate her into giving me pain meRAB. I guess the only thing I can do with her is give her time so I can gain the trust back. On another note I am going to the Dr on Monday so I will see what he suggests and also ask about the things you have told me about. Thank you again.
 
Hi. I replied on the board I think?? Anyway. Thanks for the email. This taper is tough, but I am sticking to it. Today is day 4 and I am reducing by 5 mg. a day. How did you do it and how long before you felt better. I want to thank you for any advice. I am sick and tired of being on these pills..I want my life back!! I have a great life, I just no longer enjoy it, ya know?? :) Julie
 
Hey Guys,

Marcia, I appreciate your concern and i do plan to get in for a physical and all after I get back on my feet. This was not something that i planned, nor wanted, it just happened. I am almost at a full week, and the pain in my back is gone now, as with the twitching, but I am very weak. I cant seem to accomplish anything right now...I walk and my legs feel like they are gonna buckle underneath me, and i have no energy what so ever. I have started taking vitamins, a b12, and the Sam-E...someone suggested one of those energy drinks but Ive always been leary of those so not sure if Ill do that...also I am not a drinker, never have been so I assume thats a good thing...anyway, I am aware of the liver damage that these cause, and I pray now, and see a doctor next...I have to get past all of the withdrawls, all of the symptoms that go with coming off this stuff because thats where I will need the will to tell my doctor no, no more pain meRAB for me...I believe that God is with me and will carry me thru this and I do not want my faith shaken by another pill...

Julie,

I just wanted to say to you that I am still here, I have made it thru another day and other than being weak, I feel pretty good...I prayed for you and will continue to do so and please keep me posted as to your progress...I know that if I can do it, you can too...
 
First of all, sometimes the need becomes the problem. It feels good to be able to take something that makes you have no worries/pain/or whatever your need is. But you can't live or function with them. Try to take and analgesic every 4hrs for a couple of days, no codeine. There is a limit to anything. The analgesic will help with breakthrough pain and the narcotic once or twice a day (MD recommended) will help you rest and live. I know, it was easier to take 2 Percocet than 3 Motrin, but when I looked at the constipation, drowsiness, lack of motor skill, and irritation from the narctics---it's not worth it. I'm talking about me. DO YOU!!, but not where you don't live..This is it....:wave:
 
I don't have any wonderful worRAB of wisdom as I am battling those little demons myself....and it's not easy!! I'm a sahm as well, but fortunately I do have a supportive husband--though it's erabarrassing talking about it to him because he's never been thru anything like this at all. My heart just went out to you when I read your post and wanted to let you know that you will be in my thoughts!! YOU CAN DO THIS!! :angel:
 
Hey foolofatuk,
Thanks for writing and I admire you to. With 2 small children, that is a task in itself. Today has been okay so far. No more back aches but feel weak still. I haven't taken any meRAB for pain coming off the lortabs. I did take many hot showers and that helped a lot. I have started on vitamins now to try and rebuild my system. Just keep praying because God will carry you thru this. Its the longest week I've ever lived but it is getting better and as silly as it sounRAB, the more I pray the better it gets. God has definately been with me this week. Please keep in touch as I want to know how you are doing and it is so good to know that we are not alone.
 
Hey Marcia,

I do appreciate your concern and i do understand it as well...I realize that the bf could be a bad thing if he doesnt do his part in this and I have made myself very clear on where I stand with this and what I will and wont accept from here on out....as for this day...it has been GREAT!!!...no more aches and pains from the withdrawls, and i am thanking God every step of the way....I know that being around the pills could be a grave risk for me but I refuse to go back...no matter what it costs....I never was into much of anything in my life because (Ive been told that Im a control freak) I would never let myself get out of control...I dont know if thats a good thing or not but thats just the way it is...I will not let anything control my life...I choose my path, and God has always played a major part and when the pills became a factor I put God in the backseat and i will not do that again...I believe that he has guided my life and when i lost faith this is what happened, so I knew doing this withdrawl I would have to trust that God would be there to guide me once again, and he is, and has been and will continue to be.
I think that you are a very wise woman and i again appreciate all of your advise, and look forward to reading from you again!
Anita
 
Hi, I have some experience with suboxone and while it may seem like a good short term solution to addiction in actuality it is more addicting than prescription drugs like hydro, oxy, etc.! It's like heroin users and methadone. Methadone does level out the highs and lows but is way harder to withdraw from than heroin. With sub you're still ingesting an addicting drug and will have to withdraw at some point if you don't want to take drugs your whole life. But the withdrawal will be harder with unpleasant side effects lasting months instead of weeks.

Best to you whatever you decide to do.
 
Hey Julie....I am so happy that your taper is working for you...keep it up...you can do it!!!! As for me, I am only 6 days clean now I think (it may be 7)...anyway...all is good here except the weak feeling...after the fourth day there was a definate turn around in the aches and pains...Itotally understand about not enjoying life, but I am hoping to be able to again...I keep praying, for myself and you too, and I really believe that God is with me so whether thats true or not, it is working.....I hope to read from you again!!!!
Anita
 
Addiction isnt a race, you dont get some prize for finishing first or fastest. You dont get a reward for lasting longer, or doing things better then the next guy. What you get is pretty much nothing. Its what everyone else has, A normal life.

i just had to repost what jayday said. wow.
 
Sorry don't agree... I am 61 and was on hydro for most of life and other things.... did detox and everything. Found only only only thing that works is to wean slowly very slowly....... just spent two weeks on only 15mg and today going down to 10. It is not just psychological. Good you have support, but if you don't wean the opiate out slowly slowly you will relapse. Yes if you need for pain find something else, but slowly get it out of system, get help, I am fighting meetings. People don't get it....... Get Bentyl for stomach, Immodium for the runs, a benzo and Visterel sp> > a very heavy antihistamine and each time to wean do it for weeks........ when you feel ok at a lower dose even if it is only 2 mg then go down for another month or so to lower. It could take a year. If you rush it, you will relapse. If you use suboxone or subujet, you will just become addicted to that. I have fought this all my life and yes I am suffering, but cold doesn't work even if no pan..... WEAN slowly..... This weekend will be hard for I am cutting again. Sleep>? LOL...... don't worry about benzos, you can wean off them afterward.... walk walk walk walk, try NOT to think about it and just suffer through it. It could take months or a year... but please trust me...... you must get your own endorphins to replace the opiates and that takes months and months. I don't mean to sound harsh but you can't do it without weaning or methadone, another addictive thing or something else which will keep you stuck. I really am trying to support you.. but you must face the truth and do it right or you will be in a horrid circle and end up all alone and isolated like me and still have to do it the right way. OR go to a 90 day program ...... PLEASE. God Bless
 
Hi,

I just tappered from a 3 (4 if you count my tapper time) year norco addiction. I was taking 10 to 12 a day. I DID NOT want to go through withdrawls so I had my Dr cut back my RX by 25-30 pills each month. If you can't talk to your Dr., you can flush them. Toward the end of my tapper,if I still wanted to pop 3 or 4 at a time then by the 2nd week into my new refill I'd have to cut myself back to 2 to 3, sometimes even 1 a day to make them last the month. I did this for about 3 months then just decided to quit. It took me a 9 months but I did it and I've been clean for 9days. And I feel GREAT! I had a hard time, but for me it was mostly mind games. I think my body got use to having fluctuating (?) levels of Norco that I didn't throw it in to shock. Thats just my way. I also read on here often. I really like the older posts cuz you can follow their journey and get a feel of what could work for you. However you decided to quit, stay focused, be strong, and have determination. Do this for YOU!

Good luck and keep posting,

Heidi
 
Hi Anita. The taper is working, but I think I am doing it much too fast. I was taking anywhere from 12-18 norcos a day, I am down to 6-7. Should I remain on that amount for awhile, then taper from that. This is a big cut down for me since just Saturday. If I do this too quick, I am going to relpapse right back onto handfulls again. I am actually a recovering addict, with nine years clean (other than the prescribed norco) and I knew better than to let the doc presribe this stuff. But I was like I never used pills, I can handle them. I have four herniated discs, this is why they are prescribed. I want off them, as I do get lurabar injections which do help. Any advice. Thank you for your support. IT MEANS SOOOO MUCH. My prayers are with you and congrats on 7 days clean. I envy you. Julie
 
Hi, I have experienced the same problem that was started when I had twins.I have alot of back and nerve damage from having them.But,I got addicted to Hydrocodone too.It is the absolute worst feeling being dependent to pain killers.I went thru all pain.clinic,and finally I found a doctor who really paid attention to me.At first he gave me the Norco's10mg. and I would run out to soon.So,of course,Doc would not refill my prescription.BUT,he did give me an option,and told me about a different prescription.That would stop wthdrls and most people who tried this medication wouldn't goback,ABSOLUTELY,THE TRUTH.I've rec'd a prescp. for SUBOXONE 2MG.Its a withdrawal pill that works for PAIN in the brain.
 
Hi drouser,

I wish I had some advice to help you with tapering, but I'm in the same boat that you are. I'm really just posting here to let you know that you're not alone. I have been taking much less, 3-4 hydrocodone a day, but am also having to taper off. I had a bad doctor who was over-prescribing narcotics, then got in trouble with the DEA (or whoever monitors that stuff), so now I have one refill left to taper from. I could go to another doctor for more meRAB, but I'm not going to. I HAVE to get off of this stuff, so I'm going to take this as a sign.

Like you, I am stay-at-home gal, not a mom, but working from home. I also have no family to support me. My husband is choosing to put his head in the sand and ignore it, so I'm going to be relying on boarRAB like this one for help. I honestly don't think it's possible to go through this without some kind of support, so thank goodness for places like this.

Anyway, just wanted to let you know that there are other people just like you, going through the same thing. I'll probably be visiting this board a lot in the next month as I go through my taper, so maybe we can help each other get through this.

I'll keep checking this thread to see if anyone has tapering suggestions. I don't want to attempt CT either. I'm a busy person who neeRAB to be able to function, so going through a tough detox isn't an option. With you being a SAHM, I can see why it's not an option for you either.

I want to wish you all the best. Be strong. This isn't going to be an easy ride, but the end result will be worth it. You CAN do it!
 
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