please help! Hydrocodone user

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Hi there everyone. Can anyone suggest a good taper schedule. I am on one now, but I may be too anxious and going much too fast, and that is NOT a good thing for the end result. I am an average user of about 14 norco a day. Right now I am down to about an average of 7...give or take. But I have only been doing that for the last four days. I need a good way to do this. I want off these so badly, and am willing to listen and try any suggestions. Thanks soo much everyone. Julie :wave:
 
Your right, addiction isn't a race. I started on subs yesterday. I have only had 1 1/2 pills. No hydro in almost 12 hours. I feel almost normal for the first time in two years. My journey is just begining. But if I DO IT ALL THE WAY I AM SUPPOSE TO, slowly and one day at a time I can get back my life and when the time come to deal with getting off subs, I will be that much more metally strong to do it. I have no craving for a norco. I can't believe it. I am so grateful. These subs don't get me high, they just make me feel like a real person again. I am in no hurry and will take them for as long as it is neccessary to ensure my successful recovery.....thanks! julie;)
 
Hey Drouser...

I am also a SAHM and I can tell you that in the past 3 years I have been taking 15 to 25 lortab 10's a day....one day last week I saw myself in the mirror and realized that I was in there somewhere, and I had to regain my life for myself but most importantly for my kiRAB...On Wednesday of last week I tappered down to 4 a day and even that was hard because my system went into shock...4 days ago I took 1 one day ,and then 1 the next and decided it was time to start this withdrawl thing...I am now going into 48 hours and the pains are definately there, but today has been alot easier than yesterday. In my decision to do this I asked for alot of help in prayer...and as crazy as it may sound, I feel GoRAB presence with me and I just keep praying because I know that when the withdrawl is over for me, I wont look back. Im not a religious freak and I dont attend a church, but I know that in AA you have to hand it over to a higher power because we are helpless without it...I have asked God to take this from me and I meant every word, and maybe the withdrawls will get worse but at this moment it is bareable...I havent taken any otc meRAB for anything in this...a hot shower does wonders tho and as hard as it was to eat, I have and that helps too. I wish you luck and will pray for you too...
 
misscollins: it's a tricky situation for frienRAB & family. You've already admitted that you've abused pain pills. They have NO way of knowing when we're really in pain or not. It's hard enough to convince family/frienRAB we need pain meRAB in the first place, w/ no obvious gaping wounRAB. Once they know of an abuse problem, it's really gonna be hard for them to trust that we really need pain meRAB.

Wish I had more advice on this, but I went through it for years w/ my frienRAB & family & w/ NO hint of abusing meRAB they never understood the kind of pain I was in. Don't mean to be depressing, but just wanted you to know where your bf is coming from.

You can always get support online, though. And there are other things than pain pills for back problems.
 
Hi. OMG, I am in the exact same situation as you. I am now on a taper, day 2. I am so scared. This is like a living hell and I want my life back. These pills are a nightmare and have just taken my mind and my happiness from me. I am so sorry for you, I know what you are going through.....I will pray for you. Julie
 
JayDay;

Hi. Oh, thanks for all your advice. And you are right. I think I knew before I started my taper all you said.....Well, I got the assessment, saw the doc, and started subs. I am so grateful and feel normal for the first time in two years. I didn't want to go to bed last night so I could relish in my first night of normalcy in over two years. But sleep won and I did go in by 11. :)
I will do this slowy, and exaclty as I am told and when it's time to wean, I will do it under the doc's care. But for now, I can get my life back, and my feeling back which have been nurab for a long time. Thanks for caring and sharing...I like reading what you have to say/ Julie
 
Hey Julie,
I was happy to get your post this morning. I can tell you that my boyfriend is also an addict and knee deep into AA and can't tell anybody but me so like you he has chosen the taper method to come off the lortabs. We decided to do this a couple weeks apart so that we could help each other thru the withdrawls. As for me I went from taking on average 15 a day to taking 4 and then to 1 for a couple days and then the withdrawls. Today is day 7 and I feel okay so far. As for my bf, since he was an addict before the pills he has to do it much slower than I have. He has cut his back from about 20 a day to 10 and then next week he is gonna cut that in half. You have to go slow to have a good end result I think and I just keep praying...for you, and my bf, and me and anyone else who is living this nightmare. Hang in there Julie, I have faith that you can do it and look forward to hearing from you again.
 
Hey Julie,

Let me just tell you that your thought about slowing down your dosage reduction is the right move.......and yes, I am telling you that from personal experience.

Several years back I had a problem with my neck (bulging disk causing compressive neuropathy, w/ 3 bone spurs in the same area to boot) that ended up with me having to take Oxycontin before and between two surgeries, for what ended up being over half a year (7-8 months). By the time the second surgery was done, I was really well addicted to the stuff (And just a side note, I've detoxed from Morphine, and Fentanyl on my own after surgery, which wasnt fun, but do-able......Oxycontin tho is a monster all together different, if you have a choice never touch it). Thankfully I had a family doctor that when I talked to him about it, basically understood that what I was going through wasnt my fault, but was a result of the situation I found myself in medically.

The Doctor I went to, ended up backing me down off of 40mg of Oxycontin over what ended up being about a month and a half (give or take a week or so, like I said it was several Yrs back). He ended up dropping the dosage weekly, from 40mg to 30mg to 20mg to 10mg to 5mg. At the 5mg dosage he ended up splitting those in half down to 2.5mg for several days (under a week), which I'm glad he did. It ended up that I still had some problems with sleeplessness and agitation, no real physical withdrawal symptoms, more of a general feeling of uneasiness then anything else.

So going by what this Dr had me do I'd say...... well not take your time, but be cautious. It's better to take a little bit more time, and wean yourself off Hydrocodone in a way that doesnt cause you physical discomfort (and other possible medical issues), than it is to try to accelerate things, and end up failing to come off the hydrocodone, because it ended up seeming to difficult to stop taking, or because some other side effect or issue of detoxing ended up occurring as a result of accelerating the time-frame for reducing the dosage.


Best Advice I can give you is this.....
Weaning yourself off opiates should be uncomfortable, but it SHOULD NOT hurt.
If it does hurt, then your moving to fast.
 
believe me anita, i KNOW no one sets out one day to actually want to or become addicted, it DOES usually just 'happen", way too before you even realize it in some cases, been there done that. i am really glad you will eventually see and speak with your doc tho, esp if he was the one whos doing the Rxing. like i mentioned above, just the mere fact that he IS aware, you just have kind of planned ahead for ANY possible starting to "rejustify' things in your head again at some time down the road? we DO have to plan ahead for ourselves whenever we can. this really WAS a really good thing that i DID do tho. the simple act OF even justifying our behaviors IS what really continues to feed an addiction actually. we take and we justify it in some sick way inside our heaRAB so 'we" do not have to really accept the overall responsibilty of some of our actions we just do to feed an active addiction. thats the KEY thing really that keeps it going. but you really truely ARE doing the very BEST possible things here hon, and THAT ain't easy.

once the WD and the crappy stuff inside your head that keeps telling you that you 'need' starts to really get less impactful with more clean time, it DOES get that much better, little by little, baby steps, ya know? this whole thing is a 'process' that you just have to tackle step by step and very much day by day. every single day that you do not use is HUGE for you and the people who love you, and your body will love you for it too. i DO hope the liver is okay . just make certain that you do just eventually get things checked out hon, you just DO need to know things here, thats all.

there ARE some particular things that you can use to reduce the impact of the tylenol on the liver, but unfortunetly on an addiction board, i cannot in all good conscience even begin to spell them out on here. it would very much encourage certain people who are struggling with their own addiction and the ones who actually just read thru this board in order to 'further and continue' to use that its just not a good idea to even begin to post the info for you here. i hope you understand that. but your doc IS aware of this stuff and you can find the info yourself too. but using the sam E? there is only one possible issue that i have read about in using this? and that is when your B vitamins are depleted? for some reason only when the Bs are depleted, using the sam E can actually in some cases create its 'own' particular form of liver damage in certain people. so it is NOT always the very best thing? but as long as you are taking the Bs it "should" be okay? but i WOULD most definitely speak with your doc to have the Bs checked by blood when you see him too just so you know if they are even being absorbed properly with using the sam E too? you just need to know for certain. alot about real absorbtion of any vitamin supps have more to do with the real overall quality of the vitamins and the bioavailability too. so just DO double check that by blood draw. alot of us are just kind of normally lower in our Bs for some reason too. i do think they just tend to really deplete quicker for some reason?

but I am really proud of you and you should always be proud of not using ANY day along the way, it IS a really big thing as it just also helps YOU to better distance yourself for 'that' time in your life too? but if you should have ANY possible issues here tho, do not hesitate to either get yourself into a good treatment program, which was really sooo needed for me to fully even understand what had been in my head that even allowed me to start this crap and to also continue to keep doing it too despite ALL the negatives going on in my life BECAUSE of it? either that or at least call and find out where the nearest NA meeting is. this really was huge for me to simply have that 'place' where everyone was going thru or had been thru what i was at the time? but i also did not have anything even close to the help here on actual addiction forums either. but NA is just something that is always availiable to anyone who neeRAB to go there too.

just keep hanging in there hon. this really crappy part does NOT last forever, it DOES get better with more time. i do think that you are probably thru the worst part already. its now dealing with the other stuff you need to get into here soon. but just remeraber, baby steps. you just do not want to overwhelm yourself and risk going back, so take things in YOUR timeframe. but just make certain that they just DO get done. take care anita, and keep up what you are doin, its working for you. marcia
 
JayDay;

Wow! Thanks so much for all your great advice. I am going for an assessment this afternoon to see if I am eligible to start a suboxone program. What are your thoughts on this?? I figured I was weaning to fast. I was going down a whole pill a day, that's 10mg a day, too fast. It sounRAB as if you have been through so, so much and I applaud you. I also envy you. My husband and I are planning a trip to Colorado in August, theb another one in Deceraber to Arizona. I don't want to be popping pills and feeling like this while on vacation, or anywhere for that matter anymore. I will see what the assessment peeps says today. If it doens't work out for some reason, i will will start a new taper, going much more slowly. i am not back up to 14+ a day, but the taper is not working for me because I rushed it. I know that now. Well, again thanks so much for taking yoiur time to help and advise me. I really am interested on your thoughts regarding suboxone. Many say it saved there life, others didn't care for it so much....peace and gratitude to you. Julie:dizzy:
 
NearlyInsane,

I do understand that it will take time to earn the trust back. I have since talked to my bf and things are getting better. I have also gone to the doc to get something else for my pain, I have also been doing the stretches and muscle building exercises that my chiropractor gave me. I do not complain or tell my bf when I'm in pain anymore because if I do she feels like I am trying to manipulate her and I do not want her to feel that way. You are right no one knows how I feel and they never will because they are not me. Thank you.
 
I started taking 3 to 4 10mg percocets a day, sometimes two at a time. My bf who just so happens to be in recovery, confronted me a week ago today. I was taking them for the high and I was honest with her. I gave her my pills and told her not to give me any unless she saw me in physical pain. The reason I am prescribed these is because I have degenerative disc in my lower back, I have been suffering from this for about 7 years now. I feel alone now, I don't feel like I can talk to my bf anymore because she doesn't trust me and always thinks I am just trying to get pills. You said at the end of your post that it should be uncomfortable, but it should not hurt. Well I don't know if it is withdrawls or just my back pain but I hurt and it's on a daily basis, some days are better than others, I am also going through decompression with my chiropractor which makes it worse on those days. I am going to my doctor monday to discuss other forms of pain management. The thing is I don't feel like I need the pills I'm just tired of being in pain. Any suggestions are much apprieciated.
 
I just really need someone to talk to and help me figure out how to quit abusing hydrocodone ten mgs. I'm new here so I'm not sure how to reply to posts made to me. Anyhow, I'm taking around 14 or so norco tens a day(for about 4 yrs now) and I want to taper and then stop. I need help and advice, especially from anyone who's situation is close to mine....I'm a stay at home mom.....I've got to end this nightmare! I'm scared of withrawals so that's why I want to taper cause I know I wouldn't be able to mentally do it at the least...going cold turkey and all. Any advice please. I need someone to keep in touch with on this because I have no family that's supportive at all....they would try to take my kiRAB from me and they are my life and the biggest reason I havnt od,d and want to quit. Thanks everyone.
 
Hey Julie,

It was very nice to hear from you when I got up this morning. I thank you for the prayers as I have been praying for you too. Yesterday started out fairly good but it wasnt as easy as I had hoped for...it ended with some back pain, but I am still here, still clean so far...lol...this is hard and I am happy to have an understanding ear. I hope that your taper is going well, I know you can do it, and if you cant believe it just know that there is someone here that believes enough for you...please keep me posted as it is great support for both of us!!!
 
when i saw the overall amounts of actual tylenol consumption that you drouser and esp you anita are and have been taking i HAD to mention this to you both. only becasue of the overall amounts of the tylenol both of you have been consuming daily for actual YEARS here that for you drouser, with 14 norcos a day with 325 mgs of tylenol in each pill comes out to around 4,928 mgs per day? and anita, your daily intake was just way over that safe limit at even the fifteen per day was at, only becasue lortabs contain 500 mgs of tylenol, 7,500 mgs and any days you actually took the 25 per day was at an actual 12,500 per day intake and just soo way over what is the recommended "occasional" usage of just 4,000 mgs per day. but when that is used on a chronic or daily type basis that actual safe limit will go down to about 2000-3000 mgs(and could be lower or a bit higher depending upon YOUR real sensitivity to your liver and tylenol itself)only because that very needed enzyme used to actually metabolize tylenol gets way too depleted being really heavily utilized at the chronic/daily level it simply cannot replenish itself that quickly anymore since it just IS being kind of drained way too fast. the thing here is, anytime you just go well over that 'safe limit' per day, and that needed enzyme gets depleted since it is just being used up doing heavy metabolizing all day long, it reaches that point where once it is gone that day, anything that comes into the liver TO be metabolized it actually creates what is called NAPQI, and it IS a hepatotoxin that will start killing of the liver cells(hepatocytes) within your liver. this IS liver damage that depending upon just how truely impacted the functions are can start creating function loss of the many different functions our livers just do everyday for us.

i am sooo glad you have gone off of this anita, truely and drouser, if you need that extra push/reason to actually completely stop this as soon as you possibly can, THIS just IS the very BEST reason for you to try like hell to get there. while drouser, your daily intake was indeed over that even "occasional" usage amount but not as high as anitas, you still can create that very same problem as much as what the possibles just are here for anitas daily intake was. it all more depenRAB upon that 'chronic intake over years here? this can also impact the kidneys too just depending upon how massive the over the limits the intake was and also at that chronic daily intake amounts? and if at any time while taking the higher amounts of tylenol and you may have also consumed any alcohol, since both tylenol and alcohol simply use that very same enzyme for metabolization, that can kind of up the possibles for more cell damage and scarring that eventually comes along with alot of repeated cell damage too?

my best advice to the both of you would be to please see your docs here for full physicals, tell him or her what has been going on so they really are aware of what has been an ongoing medical issue and they will simply do all the right bloodwork to check esp that liver. or despite telling your docs really being the very best way to approach this for the best possible care and full evaluation of everything that simply can be impacted is the very best idea, you can just ask for the full physical and tell them you really want the labs done too? either way you seriously just NEED to make certain that neither of you, esp you anita, has truely suffered any function impairments within your livers. you just really DO need to know what may or may not be a much bigger issue that neeRAB some attention soon?

while the liver CAN regenerate itself over time only if that 'toxin" creating the damage is stopped and not introduced again, that all really DOES depend more upon just what specific areas and functions of the liver have been truely damaged and how severely too. once the damage reaches that certain point, it will not come back again. i just really really DO want you both to be okay here and make certain that you seriously DO at the very least here, get those liver labs checked just to make certain you know whether or not there just IS a possible function issue somewhere. if there IS, you seriously DO need to know now, not later when some insane symptoms start showing themselves. the sooner this gets found out the better it can possibly be treated too.

trust me her when i say that no one truely really even knows what just is going on anywhere within their own bodies til it either presents itself with certain symptoms or it actually gets found out with some type of testing. i was actually born with a very progressive form of a kidney disease that also has attacked my liver as well. i did not have a freaking clue til our youngest son presented with a liver disease like 11 years ago and i had to be tested for it and it WAS passed onto him from me without ME even knowing i had this crap going on since birth. unfortuently i DID go thru my own addiction to painkillers back in the 1980s and also consumed wayy too much tylenol than i should have. luckily for me, after 5 years of this crap i did manage to seek treatment for it and stopped. things would not have been good right now if i hadn't trust me. like i said, you just really don't know whats going on inside of you til you do some looking and testing.

anita, you really really DO espescially need to get your liver labs checked out here soon hon. the massive amounts of tylenol that you just have been taking in were just so wayy over that safe limit for even occasional usage let alone that chronic usage intake too. if by some chance you did suffer some damage, the mere fact that you are at where you are right now with not actually taking anything anymore is HUGE for you, and something to be VERY proud of too believe me. but please do, for you and your familys sake get this checked out just so YOU know where you are at?

no one just really truely knows what their own real safe limit is either til you just check and see whats going on with that liver and the functions too. who knows here, you may not have sudffered as much cell damage as some others would? but finding out just IS crucial right now. and it seriously would be a very very good idea to also let your doc know this too? that is what i did and believe me not only was he soo helpful, but by doing this, you also have just prevented the possibility of having a relapse by making certain you have cut off THAT potential 'supply" as well should you ever even be tempted again?? you do THAT part only because we are addicts and we have to take any possible steps when we just are in the 'good' place in our heaRAB to try and prevent ANY possiblitys here of even beginning to start trying to justify anything in our heaRAB that may allow us to use again when we are NOT in that good place at times later? that part alone truely helped ME in big ways from even thinking of going 'there' again, ya know? we just need to keep ourselves safe from ourselves by a little planning ahead for certain times that justifying things again so we CAN use are not and option.

but i DO really hope that both of you will get your livers checked out for your sake and the people who do care about you too. hopefully everything is okay, but you just DO need to know that part. good luck guys, Marcia
 
Hi. I JUST GOT YOUR email and thanks so much for replying. The taper is going well. I am sticking to it. Will it get easier? Will I feel better? This is hell at times, but I believe it will be so worth it!! How long have you been off these hydros??
 
Hey Marcia,

I thank you for all of the information and the support. It really means alot. I did not know anything negative about the SAM-E, Ive read alot and the reason I started taking it is because of the depression that I have always had, even before the pills. I dont know for sure why, but I have no cravings for another pill...when I set out to do this is was a kind of reckoning with myself if that makes sense...I have always been a part of the AA community altho I am not an alcoholic...and I believe that what they teach is a great lesson to us all...I have turned it over to God, and I will follow up with my doc, but only when I am strong enough to refuse another prescription...
Im not sure why I started taking the stuff for pleasure, but with each dose I felt worse, and altho its been a long road I have made a concious decision to not be a part of this anymore. I had two 10's in my purse that I have kept for a week and flushed them this morning...I just dont want it anymore.
Any other advise that you could give, I would greatly appreciate.
Anita
 
Well I was taking 6-10 lorcets a day for 6 months. Then last week I quit cold turkey. I drove from Florida all the way back to Texas having withdrawals. Was so intense. I was sick for three days with flu like symptoms. I caved last night...but managed to only take three yesterday and three today. I am so ashamed of myself. But tomorrow is another day and remeraber we can do this....you have to make up your mind.

We are human and will fall. Just dont give up.

I wish you all the luck and support in the world.
 
Hey Jules,

This all kind of just spewed out real quick, and its not really to my liking in any way (Just fragmented bits and pieces of something), and I'm afraid I sound like some pretentious holier-than-thou azz. So if I do, I apologize ahead of time......sometime my evil alter-ego gets out into the world doing damage, and I'm oblivious to it. :(
I am a little rushed for time today, but still wanted to at least wish you Good Luck, and tell ya to just stick to it, and keep going regardless of how hard it may seem. You seem to have found some solid folk to help you out, and it sounRAB like you may have some people around that might have a pretty good grasp on how to proceed with things, which is great. Most times if there is someone assessing individuals and the different and unique problems that each person has when entering into a program, that person doing the interviews, they are probably gonna be someone whose been around the block a few times. And for you, that's definitely a good thing.

A couple of things though, I think I need to point out, because you seemed to not make a big deal of it. First off you stopped your plans to reduce your meRAB straight away, seemingly without even a second thought to it. Now you might say its because of my experiences that you did that, and it might be part of it, but I think a bigger part is probably that you recognized, and realized yourself that you were moving things along way to fast, a situation that almost never enRAB well. Sometimes it just takes a couple of worRAB to make us recognize something that we've already seen and know.

The one other thing (and its something that every person whose been addicted to anything has done) is that you put a deadline on yourself to do "X-Thing" (This case, when you have to be off all medication). Not sure if you even realized you did that. Without getting in detail. lets just say that I've had more then a little experience in this area, and almost everyone out there is going to say this same thing, DONT DO IT, and there is a very simple reason why. When you do something like this, you end up putting even more stress on yourself then was already there, and I think we can agree that trying to reduce or stop taking certain meRAB, is stressful enough. Then on top of that there is also the other side of this. In the case that things didnt go exactly as planned, and you arent able to reach your goals, and end up still having to take a few (and by this time it hopefully would be very few) meRAB while on vacation, would that really be that bad? It would be bad though if you ended up getting upset and mad with yourself for not doing whats you said you were going to do, and because of that you just end-up saying..... Screw it, it doesnt matter what I do anyway (Yeah, I've had those same self-destructive type thoughts too, I think there are a lot of people he do).

Sorry, I'm not trying to be the lecture guy here, and its not so I can tell you that "This" is how you should do things, and this is what you should do......It might sound like that but its not. It's just that it seems like a lot of the traps that I set for myself when I was stopping meRAB are almost the exact same ones your setting for yourself.......and honestly I'd hate myself if something happened when I kept my mouth shut, simply because I didnt want to risk possibly coming across as a real A$$hole. If I do come across as that guy, I do apologize, its not meant to be like that. It's just that I've been there and gone though it, or if I havent, I know some people that have; and here's the really crazy part. All those people (me included) had to stop doing things like we had been, and had to start doing things different, in a way that we werent setting a trap for ourselves down the line.

And sorry, said I was gonna be quick but my brain just seems to have gotten in the drivers seat and locked everyone else in the trunk.:round: .All this reminRAB me of NA meetings I would go to with a close friend of mine, hence a lot of the knowledge). There was something that someone said there that stuck in my head, and it must have, because this goes is going back about 15+ years. This isnt a quote or anything, and I'm probably gonna forget some bit, but anyway its something like this.......

Addiction isnt a race, you dont get some prize for finishing first or fastest. You dont get a reward for lasting longer, or doing things better then the next guy. What you get is pretty much nothing. Its what everyone else has, A normal life.
 
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