Pitchfork

Haha, Journey found its way in there.


Good list other than that, It's suppossed to be a sort of alternative to the boomer-Rolling Stone/VH1 lists that glorifies the same crap every time, and I think it does a good job.
 
Wow, that's interesting. How about going back to what music press is supposed to be about, you know, letting you know about good music, not trying to tell you if you like what you've already heard. Crazy right?

I know I've probably said this a hundred times by now, but I like Pitchfork because I think they write well and their taste in music is very compatible with mine and since I sadly don't have the time anymore to download the whole friggin internet and listen to every goddamn underground band whose grandma paid for their recording session I need a filter, a site to give me recommendations which I will then listen to and either like or dislike.

Also, those kinRAB of reviews account for about one millionth of their output. Sure, sometimes they like to take the piss out of some band/albums, but most of the time they write thought out reviews...
 
I'd just like to note that I'm really starting to mind their (to me at least) forced inclusion of rap/hip hop. I'm thinking people who follow that magazine are primarily interested in indie rock, and people who listen and care about hip hop sure as fuck don't read them. Not sure what they're thinking, trying to prove that their tastes surpass indie or they're trying to cater to American mainstream...but it's kinda annoying.
 
But what I'm saying is, in my opinion, most of those bandwagons aren't worth jumping on (think Panda Bear).

I agree with a lot of their high ratings, but I disagree with far more of them.
 
first 10.0 given on release date from p4k in 8 years (last one was Yankee Hotel Foxtrot). I don't think it's 10.0 good, but it's a damn great. probably my favourite album of the year.
 
I think it originated from its want to be different for the sake of being seen. Pitchfork is the Lisa Lamponelli of Music Reviews; bloated, crass, and always striving for shocking.

As it relates to music of course.
 
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^knows their music.
 
It's not so much that it's bad , there's just nothing on it you'll remeraber listening to half an hour later.

It's just totally devoid of any ideas. Like Sonic Youth make Sonic Youth type noises but forget to write any songs.
 
But that's simply not the case. The fact is that there is no other review site within the indie community at large whose opinions are held with MORE gravity. Pitchfork are extremely influential and, whether one loves them or hates them, there can be no absolutely understating their chiefly importance in terms of being arbiters of taste in the indie world at all.


I feel that's a large aspect of their appeal. They are simply SO partisan, SO dogged, SO elitist, SO cooler-and-indier-than-thou, that people began to feel the urge to be as "cool" as them and proceeded to fanatically cling to every opinion they ever put out. On the flipside, it is that exact same reason why they're so hated, AND why the people that hate them which such venom still check up on their latest review scores religiously - if for no other reason than to add additional fuel to their loathing.

Pitchfork is an instance of modern internet marketing at its very cleverest and finest. Spark controversy, fuel outrage, and you're bound to get attention.

I also think that a large nuraber of indie sites on the web probably owe their very existence to Pitchfork.

Positive or otherwise, its impact on the alternative music world from an internet fan perspective is virtually unparalleled...imho.
 
I was reading Pitchfork when they first came out and along with CMJ, Mojo and Puncture (now defunct) it was a great place to find great new artists.
 
I'm in full agreement here. They're Indie's Rolling Stone. = /




True, but don't you find the whole thing kind of pathetic? Instead of seeking out things for themselves, people would rather have someone else (AKA Pitchfork or some other publication) put an opinion in their mouth, followed by brazenly wearing it on their sleeve as evidence that their taste is music is superior to someone elses. It's always been that way I know, but that's no excuse for folks to sit on their asses and rally behind crappy biases. I mean, Christ, where did the desire to learn and experience things for oneself disappear off to? Loving them or hating them isn't even worth the effort involved when you could be listening to something interesting instead.

And finally, I could care less how appealing their approach is to those who indulge themselves in this sort of trash: anyone who writes off King Crimson, ELP, and everything Yes did after Close to the Edge as "grotesque", yet acknowledges such groups' influences on the musicians they adore isn't worth piss in my book. :crazy:
 
I didn't pass any judgement on what i thought the music press was MEANT to be about.

I also didn't take a dump on Pitchfork. Infact I said i don't read it.

I said that I personally have no reason to pay any attention to it or any other music press for that matter.
 
10.0 was definitely just a shock-value. Knowing P4k's history with Kanye, they definitely legitimately liked it, but I'm pretty sure it's still just a shock-value kind of thing. The album has so many obvious flaws that I doubt even a Pitchforkist could look past, namely the fact that Jay-Z ruins any song he touches with his pomposity and general lameness. Plus 10.0 is typically an album they see as 'revolutionary' in some way... The review they wrote for Kanye's new album is just... Really boring and hard to read, like some of their other stuff. They definitely don't hold it up on that high of a pedestal.

I can't believe I just wrote about Pitchfork AGAIN... I thought I escaped this.
 
You're very right, clutnuckle, the review they wrote was trash. 3/4 of it wasn't even about the album, it was about Kanye West's life, image and integrity.

But I do disagree about Jay-Z, some of my favorite moments on the album are moments where he is rapping. Yes, he's pompous, but I respect the guy, and him being cocky doesn't annoy me in the least. Lame? Not at all.
 
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