PassThePopcorn or PassTheChildPorn

See. This thread has done more to connect filesharing with pedos than it has to rid the world of injustice. This was handled poorly.

I am inclined to agree on a certain level, however...
Do you believe anything would have been done, if this wasn't brought to FST's attention?

I'm glad they have banned him now, as it shows that we don't associate with such content.

*dinner is done, be on in a bit. This is getting interesting lol.
 
Azazel, I really don't understand you. You said you weren't doing it, you know the privacy laws. You said that you already gave it to the right authorities. And then you hand out his personal information in a casual "someone gave it to me, I don't know if it's true" attitude.

I hope you know what's coming to you, as we all know what goes around comes around in this upside down BT world.

EDIT: "Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted!" Good for you, ever think that by any chance, since our dear friend Max is only 20 years old that some rapist might show up to his doorstep soon? Or that phone number will get plastered over craigslist as a sex line, tonight? Did you even think through all of the things that can go wrong, when you did this to him, or where you out for a personal vendetta to harm him in anyway possible, then make yourself look honest?

If Max is a pedophile, then you're a scumbag for knowingly trying to harm him, in more ways than one.
 
And that all justifies you posting a link leading to his personal information? Getting the information out there to get the staffers to take action is one thing.

Posting his personal information is more sinister. You knew exactly what you were doing all along, and as I mentioned before, I hope you get what's coming to you, because you can be sure Max won't stand around and watch you post his personal information out there passively.
 
So since you love the to reference laws, I'll tell you that a guy who gives a link to a 404ed page (with the intention of correcting a issue), and a guy who gives a link to child porn are treated differently.

1) I didn't reference any laws. Because I don't claim to know them.
2) Obviously? I'm not a moron. Unlike some people in this thread.
3) If the page was 404'd, what was the purpose of linking them? As proof for the slander that PTP staff was involved in the spreading of child porn? That's the one of the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

Regardless of why Azazel done this, the point is Spek was already disassociated with the site long ago. He was there as a courtesy, just like Azazel was (because they were both former staff). Azazel will be the only person who knows his true motives for start the wildfire, but I do highly doubt it was "with the intent of correcting an issue." Just based on his past vendetta with a certain private tracker who demoted him.
 
Glados,

I'm getting sick and tired of hearing your demands to banish PTP from the tracker world. Your only objective and motive is clearly to see PTP's demise.

I've been with the tracker for several months, and have been active on their IRC channel. For anybody that has used PTP, it's not only a great resource, but an awesome community. Sure they might be going through some tough times at the moment, but as long as this witch-hunt directed towards PTP stops, then things will be fine. Why must you take it out on the rest of the PTP community/site/tracker, when it didn't even have anything to do with PTP, besides the circumstances that some staff members of PTP who had no idea of the actions of another EX - staff member who they befriended. Spektormax, wasn't even on IRC chat, back 2 weeks ago, and just sort of popped in. I'm 100% positive that if PTP staff were knowledgeable that CP links were being posted, they wouldn't of clicked on any of the links. I've been talking with several of them over the last few months, and they just don't seem the type that would be into that sort of thing. (not many people are) It's quite clear, that PTP has wanted to distance themselves from this, and want nothing to do with spektormax, and the only way that PTP can successfully distance themselves from him, is by not continuously trying to link PTP back to spektormax.

Why are you trying to single out one rogue incident, and splashing it about, as though PTP distributes child-porn. Why don't you look at your statement, and realize what the majority of others most probably have concluded. PTP has been around for quite awhile, and ONLY distributes legal movies. Hell, they even state in their rules that there is no porn to be on the site. So where the hell do you get off, spewing your ridiculous, bullshit claims? All you keep doing is, reminding people of the same points, over and over again (adding biased "facts" along the way)

You are being counter-productive to what really SHOULD be happening. Your target is spektormax, not PTP. Some initial statements made by staff were kind of inappropriate (defending spektormax at the time[but really what would you expect, since he was a founder]) but they have gone through, banned any accounts he has, and said he wouldn't be back to PTP. Let's all move on from what was said by PTP staff members, as this is not the case now.

The proper thing that should happen, is that spektormax's information get released privately to the right people who can take action on his misdeeds. Then this thread should be closed, so we don't have a vulnerability to PTP or any other tracker that might be affected.

My 2 cents.
 
This is no way a reflection of PTP as a site.
Spektormax has been absent from daily and backend operations for many months and his despicable actions do not fall in line with the opinions of any staff member or userbase. His glaring lack of social skills, morality, and questionable judgement should not be seen in any context with PTP. He is an entity onto himself.
Further steps will be taken to distance ourselves from him and his actions.

Again, they were reprimanding him for the links he posted. Azazels perspective is only of the chat portion and should not be taken as a full account of the event.
While Spektormax's moral ambiguity can not be denied, Azazel is using this as a weapon and the start to a smear campaign against the site.
 
I didn't want to post in this thread because I'm affiliated with another site and I don't want to drag them and that site into this. That said, what I say represents me, and only me, and does not at all reflect the beliefs or stance of the site.

While it is true that there is recent precedent that establishes browser cached images do not constitute child pornography, spreading links to such pictures is still a Class C federal felony in the United States. By posting the links in the Skype conversation, spektormax became a felon and by distributing screenshots of said links, Azazel did too. The short and skinny of the matter is that Skype does indeed centrally log every IM on the site and a call/email from law enforcement would turn up those logs and give them the probably cause a simple tip off would not. Whether the law enforcement found anything or not when they got to his house (and by now I imagine all of his hard drives have met the microwave), he's still guilty, without a shadow of a doubt, of distribution of child pornography. A lot of people in this thread, and others elsewhere, are fond of saying that spektormax isn't guilty because he wasn't involved in the hosting or manufacturing of those images (may I also mention that 510chan did what they are legally obligated to do and removed the images as soon as they were notified, they are not at fault any more than imageshack would be if someone uploaded such filth there) but he's not simply a consumer. He was distributing the images, for whatever reason, and that moves him only just slightly below those that manufacture the images, both morally and legally.

As far as Azazel is concerned, I have never said anything to the fellow and I can't speak to his motives. What I can comment on is that those of us unfortunate to have lived and experienced this level of exploitation in our personal lives can understand an immediate and irrational backlash, especially when met with the frustration of meeting a brick wall attempt to hide and ignore these actions. I don't think Azazel handled this as perfectly as he could have, but who's to say that he was in a mental or emotional state to think clearly? I know that, when presented with this disgusting filth (because of my own personal experiences) I am prone to fits of irrational rage and anger, which is common in people in similar situations. I'm not trying to be apologetic for the way he's carried himself, but this sudden condemnation of the whistleblower speaks more about this community and its ability to think single-sidedly about an issue than anyone probably realizes.

In regards to PtP staff behavior, there's no excuse. When approached with the evidence, the initial reaction was to cover up and pretend nothing happened. I understand, being in the position that I am in, that they wouldn't want to put their tracker under legal pressure, but that's not to say they couldn't have taken the site down before reporting the fucker to the police. I would do no less if I found a staff member of mine was such a pervert and it speaks loudly to their cowardice that they will not take the proper measures to deal with this situation. Furthermore, the quickness of their reaction and how quickly they went into "damage control" mode implies, at the very least, that this is not a solitary occurence. Certainly given the callousness that defines their reply, I can't bring myself to believe that it is; having spent an extensive amount of time dealing with this level of perversion, one thing that I have learned is that child pornographers are so very hard to catch because they tend to only share their "collections" with people they feel are trustworthy because they know the legal risks their activities entail. I find it hard to believe that he would casually post images like that in a group conversation unless that trust was already earned, which, once again, implies that this isn't the first time that this has happened.

And finally, about spektormax's "disabling" at PtP. I can think of exactly 0 staff members on ANY tracker that have but one single account. There are too many logistic and entertaining reasons to have several, so disabling the accoung with the name spektormax will accomplish nothing other than to save face with those dumb enough to let the wool be pulled over their eyes. Furthermore, as a founder that has spent serious time with the site since before the site was born, he's guaranteed to continue to have server access. I know for sure that pham still does, and he voluntarily left the organization a long time ago. Spektormax's banning is nothing more than a weak attempt to save face by a group of children that are too cowardly to do the right thing in this dire situation.

Like I said, my feeling reflect only myself and are seated in a history too ugly and personal to get into and I don't want anyone to think that they reflect the opinions of my site or her staff. I want to end on a pleading note, as a victim, that the staff of PtP step up and do what everyone knows is the right thing to do here.

Thanks,
meph
 
I don't like to enter or talk about others neither judge any one before I do know him/her completely, but when it's about paedophilia and child abuse I think that there is no rule I can't break.

The main idea and thing about what Azazel did is that he didn't knew what to do, so he made it public which I think is good idea and bad in same time as he mentioned PTP and in PTP (in my own opinion) 99,99 % users wont agree with same behaviours of paedophilia(except this spektorma and maybe others), so including PTP in the discussion should be just to mention where he is staff and I'm sure Azazel wanted that.

Now, about spektorma behaviours, I think that he should be denounced to justice as he is a real danger for the hole society or community he live with, especially if what Azazel said is right. For people who know him and don't get him out of his behaviours, you are his accomplices in what he can do or you are just like him.
 
312c, release his personal details. Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.
 
To drag the entire site into it isn't realistic, if this was your long time friend you wouldnt immediately abandon him if you were good friends, you would try and find out what was going on with him and seek help for him. Its very unreasonable to expect someone to take action further than banning him from HIS OWN SITE. Just my two cents.

I would love to see a screenshot of any discussion about finding the founder help.

If anything the only thing I can imagine being discussed is how long he will stay underground for, before he is re added anonymously. lol
 
I would love to see a screenshot of any discussion about finding the founder help.

I wasn't saying he is receiving help as I have no idea, I was suggesting that if I was in that position that's what I would do. I wouldn't simply disown my best friend, even for a far worse crime. I would find out what was really going on, if he was depressed or something. If I found out he was just fucked up then it might be time to move on.
 
maybe. but we don't know. which is why the feds should be involved and an official investigation to be held.
and again, regardless of the reasons, it's still a cyber-crime.

Why don't you turn yourself in for illegally downloading movies?
Its a "cyber-crime"

The system is so fucked up that you would get in more trouble than this asshole distributing child pornography.
 
This has gotten way out of hand. TBH, im not sure why Azazel didnt deal with this internally. It shows that he might not be the most able or fittest staffer, and it seems as if he wants to immerse himself into drama.

Whilst i do not condone CP, I really do not understand why Azazel missioned it off to all sorts of sites to get him exposed. This could have been dealt with in a much more grown up way. Whilst this SpektorMax guy is well worth avoiding, I think Azazel's reputation has been tarred a bit. Wouldnt feel too comfortable around him and he seems like a bit of an embarrasment for the sites he represented. If he hadnt gone on a massive campaign, PTP would still be held in a much better light.
 
No one cares about Azazel we are talking about PTP as a site.

Your Garbage about Azazel is
irrelevant. Attacking the OP leads to nowhere and doesn't change the fact that PTP staff are still protecting a pedophile.

*T0x be sure to answer my question in my last post, I am dying to hear the answer.
 
Yes, I joined FST today just to post. I'll freely admit that. But how exactly is that a bad thing? Also, care to explain how I'm defending anyone?

I didn't defend or protect anyone except the site itself and the current staff members who have become tied up in Azazel's campaign against it.

See. This thread has done more to connect filesharing with pedos than it has to rid the world of injustice. This was handled poorly.

Completely agreed.

I am inclined to agree on a certain level, however...Do you believe anything would have been done, if this wasn't brought to FST's attention?

I honestly do think he would've been banned had Azazel handled it differently, and I think he would've been banned faster had DAQ or pham were apprised of the situation, but that's just my speculation. Had he went to the right person at the time rather than starting this entire mess it would've been handled discreetly and silently without the involvement of any of "us."

And honestly, do you think he if all he wanted was his information so he could turn him into the proper authorities he would've saved the screen shots of the Skype chat? I don't think so. He saved those because he KNEW what he was going to do, no matter what PTP done about the situation. Please try to think with your head, rather than your ass.
 
good to know. and he should be banned from other sites too imo.

2) What does it matter to the members what one of the founders who has not been active on the site in months likes to do in his spare time? Answer: It doesn't affect them at all

We'll i'm not in your site and it still left a bad taste in my mouth. It's one thing if one of the member is involved into stuff like this but it's totally different when it is a staff, even worse a founder.

I realize there is no way you would have known he was mentally sick or whatever. All i'm saying is it left a bad taste...and i suppose it does matter what a founder (and ex-founders) of a site "likes to do in his spare time", in particularly when it comes to serious+sick+massive.legal.risk issue like this one.
 
FYI, these links are all 404 errors. gg

Simply because the chan is moderated and any cp is removed straight away. There's even a thread saying the pictures got cleared. Don't act oblivious to the fact that what the staffer was accused of did occur, it helps no one.
 
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