PassThePopcorn or PassTheChildPorn

[Commander78]

Is there an actual nfo? I didn't find it at first glance.

 

[southerncross440]

yes but it doesn't make him a pedophile.

maybe. but we don't know. which is why the feds should be involved and an official investigation to be held.
and again, regardless of the reasons, it's still a cyber-crime.

 

[Ben Robertson]

That's not truthful at all. He made the same post on several forums, and at least a one blog. I'm sure he also sent in the "article" to TorrentFreak or **************... and I'm almost positive they won't run something involving it so he had no choice but to post it on here. Also, he called cops in two different states trying to get him in trouble. I don't care about that, it's a moot point. My point simply is: Azazel could have handled this much better, and he didn't need to involve the entire BitTorrent scene in his campaign to stop child porn. Nor did he have to slander PTP and their staff, who have done nothing towards him except demote him from a moderator-type position.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the same one who stirred shit up with BTN when they demoted him? Wow, amazing... two different private BT trackers demote him. I'm sure it's for different reasons, but doesn't anyone else think this was handled inappropriately? It can't be a good thing to associate any form of P2P with child porn. This accusation from him has caused more damage than solved any problem.

Your right, what am I thinking.

Anyone else want to join a skype with me and "check" to see if links contain child pornography.
Only a clear thinking man would search for child porn, and then have others on skype check to confirm that it is child porn.


Come on....Do you even realize what your trying to defend?

I'm not defending him. I don't care what happens to him... actually. I'm defending PTP, because they had nothing to do with it in the first place.

 

[King Hustler T.I.P.]

Child porn is disgusting, but what you don't understand is there is nothing the people involved can do (other than the sickening spectormax). They can't report him to the government as you suggest, he only linked to it which you also have done, but regardless that doesn't break any laws. What IS illegal is being in possession of or taking and uploading pictures of child porn.

To drag the entire site into it isn't realistic, if this was your long time friend you wouldnt immediately abandon him if you were good friends, you would try and find out what was going on with him and seek help for him. Its very unreasonable to expect someone to take action further than banning him from HIS OWN SITE. Just my two cents.

-Chris

 

[monique b]

PTP staff/sysops involved in that Skype convo (we were told they know Spektormax personally) are REQUIRED BY LAW to report him to the authorities (assuming they live in USA).

The fact that they did absolutely nothing about it makes them as bad as Spektormax. At least the OP has brought attention to the matter, which is the right thing to do, so I applause Azazel for what he did (you guys keep saying he did it because of revenge or whatever... guess what? nobody cares; the fact that you guys keep bringing this up to defend PTP and yourselves only makes you look foolish).

looking at the screenshot. z/jerrcs/Jeremy and Jon proceeded on posting further links like nothing just happened. Yes, not doing anything makes you as bad as the offender. This is fucking ridiculous.

You guys only "disabled" Spektormax's account after people raged at you for doing nothing about him... before you kept saying he's the founder (an "inactive staff") and there's nothing you could do about it. People are not stupid, the disabling of his account is just for show. I'm pretty certain he has other account(s), still has access to the site, and is still involved with PTP.

I do hope REAL actions are taken by PTP staff regarding this issue. Otherwise PassThePopcorn will always be seen as a front for underground child porn activities.

simply put, child porn links were being shared in a convo with 3 or 4 PTP staff... Enough reason for me and everyone else to leave PassThePopcorn ASAP!

 

[schoolgirl09]

Yes they are. In some countries it's normal to be shorter than 4' 11". If you go to a country like Vietnam, and you're 6', they're going to consider you a giant.

Giants... mental case #5

 

[Ricky Lee]

It was obviously Azazel on his silly self-righteous quest for vengeance in which he himself distributed child porn (to a much larger audience might I add).

You sir are a moron, and deserve whatever you get just as much as spectormax does. The proper thing to do would have been to submit that information to the authorities rather than DOXing him, which is what silly little teenagers on power trips tend to do.

what he said.

 

[Sammy K]

I don't care about Azazel and who he is and what he was and why he's doing it or whatever. don't even care if the guy in question was banned/demoted.

I'm just responding with respect to the presented facts. Who presented them and why he did so is irrelevant.

The way I see it, the *founder* of PassThePopcorn is into child porn... Whether PTP staff are related to these activities or not, it doesn't matter... If the founder of the site was found to practice such disgusting activities, then the best choice of action for the members of the site is to leave and stay clear.

Spektormax may be arrested for such activities, and his site, PassThePopcorn, will be put at risk. If he was arrested, the investigation might even consider PassThePopcorn to be a front for child porn distribution (since the links were shared with sysops/staff of the site).

The outcome of this whole incident is: PassThePopcorn (PtP) is currently insecure due to child porn activities of their founder. Try to defend the site all you want; it will get you nowhere.

 

[Just Michellee ...]

We live in an imperfect world with imperfect justice. As easy as it seems to want pedoMax (and everyone who has ever intentionally clicked on a child porn link) locked up, the police do not have the manpower or budgets to investigate allegations of this level. They have enough to do finding serious traffickers, producers, and child abductors.

Sadly, the police will say essentially what the mod on PtP did. That is the imperfect part...

There IS technology that could monitor our every action online AND in the real world. We could have traffic cams at every intersection. Radar equipped cameras could record our roadways for speeders and drunk drivers. We could virtually eliminate street crime by posting video cameras in all public places. Our ISPs could turn over records to be scanned for our every page view and our emails could be previewed for suspicious activity. Since drug use leads to the deaths of innocents each year, we could ALL be required to send in MANDATORY blood and urine samples each month/week. All of our phone conversations could be screened as well.

I am sure a few more currently available technical solutions could get us closer to the "perfect justice" some of you are seeking.

Is pedoMax a scumbag? Most likely. At the very least, he needs to gain some insight into acceptability and responsibility. Azazel needs to quit being a vengeful little prick. And the grand-standers around here need to realize the costs of living with perfect justice.

 

[hodmokrin]

and you think FEDS wont check into the skype history etc,and you think they wont find any connections to the tracker.yea rite.Or FEDS now arrest people by not checking logs/history or by not doing back ground check etc?And why would the admins/mods want themselves to be involved in an investigation?

demonstrable intellect

hmmm

 

[Holly:)]

I wouldn't say it's normal, no. However, we don't know the circumstances of when the person who linked that 4chan picture clicked the previous cp pictures. Now, correct me if I'm wrong... but Jeremy (referring to his Skype name) or z/jerrcs on PTP, said in his IRC convo to Azazel that [and I quote] "I didn't click them." Which makes me think he didn't even know what those pictures were when he linked that 4chan picture. The On A Soapbox blog still has the images up, so feel free to look at them to double check, but I don't believe he knew those were child porn pictures when he linked the 4chan image.

Wrong here. As anyone would, he wants to be seen as a non-pedophile. And, he also wants this discussion to end before he gets investigated.

Again, I don't see how he could be tracked down via an internet handle. But as I've stated before, it's not my area of expertise, so I'm not sure about anything to do with the legality of the issue. I'm positive if any PTP staff had information that would be relevant to the criminal investigation of a pedophile, they would turn that over. But until the police contact * and ask for information on * they shouldn't be smeared into handing out a former founder/staff members details, simply to please a bunch of people on a forum thread. That's utterly ridiculous.

This is rather at odds with your claim that you have no interest in the site. You obviously are much closer than most members PTP to actual staff at PTP or you are a member of staff.

I'm "e-friends" with several members of PTP. And no, I'm not staff. And I never said I had no interest in the site. It's an amazing site, with smart, friendly, dedicated people who help run it for the users of the site. I'm simply pointing out the inaccuracies in statements and the obvious motives behind some of them. I could care less what happens to Spek, honestly. I've never known the guy and I don't care too. But the other members of staff that you people are here accusing of protecting a pedophile are people who don't deserve that. So yes, I will stand up to that. You're putting pressure on a situation that grew from a mole hill into a mountain, over a very badly handled grudge-holding former-staff member.

The question PTP staff have to ask themselves is - how do they feel about explaining to the cops, their familys, girlfriends, boyfriends that they knew someone who had an interest in child porn and did nothing.

If/when they are put in that situation, I'm sure each one would handle it differently. If the cops interject and demand information from them, I'm sure they'd gladly hand that information over. However, slandering the site isn't going to help anyone, with anything. It's not going to force the admins/mods to release any information, it's not going to do anything but punish them for not dropping, someone who might not even be a pedophiles, dox online. Which is a criminal matter, mind you. So you're basically asking them to drop someones personal information, which IS a crime, for something that might not even be a crime? Someone please tell me what I missed there... inch:

I got the same feeling while typing with him, he may even be Spektormax

I'm a woman. So, clearly not SpekTorMax. I'm sure a few of you are on private sites with me... I just simply used a shortened version of my nickname on here. Some people can figure it out if they speak to me regularly.

t0xic, you know damn well what IRC networks I am on right now and I'm beyond pissed that instead of speaking to me and asking me why I began this thread and others that you come on here at DAQ's request to trash my name.

I don't need to speak with you over the issue. You said everything you were gonna say in this thread, and the others you made. I'm not trying to smear your name, or anyone elses for that matter. I'm simply trying to get people to see that PTP has no involvement in this. Because it was a private conversation, had this happened in the PTP irc, or in their forums, then it would be a different story. The fact is this happened on a Skype call, and had it been an "official" PTP staff meeting or something like that, I'm sure you wouldn't have been invited. Simply because you were no longer staff at that point, and neither was SpekTorMax. You were there as a friend, and I'm assuming they didn't ask you to join in to help them code/brainstorm and get the site ready for RC2. You really have no idea what was said between them before, during, and after those links were posted. You're simply guessing based in the info you have, just like everyone else in this thread. The only people that know what happened, how it happened, and what was said/done about the issue are the people who could hear it on the call. I was also not asked by anyone to come on here. I noticed the link in one of my channel's and decided to read it. I created my first and only account here to state my opinion, just like everyone else is doing here.

Spektormax was only banned AFTER all of this came to light and if this hadn't been made public, NOTHING would have been done. It takes less than a minute to ban accounts and the same amount of time to change server PW

 

[Blood Dampens My Pillow]

i think both OP and the said person should be reported to FBI.
Hopefully they'll get 5 year of prison, an insulting publicity by local newspaper (or at least the torrentfreak), and both their life will be doomed forever....

and i think whoever said "fap to childpron" few pages back needs to be put on mental hospital, where they'll shock him every other second.

 

[vee ftw.]

why is everyone pissed about a pedophile's info being made public?
who cares, he's a fucking pedo... he'll eventually be arrested.

PassThePopcron WILL be investigated. Despite their actions, I still have hope in PTP sysops to do the right thing in order to protect their members.

This has become far more serious, members of PTP are endangered, and I think PTP only has one obvious solution to protect their members. I hope PTP staff are not cowards to do the right thing; delete all members' database immediately and shut down the site, before it's taken for evidence by authorities.

PassThePopcorn is extremely unsafe at the moment.

 

[Ethelbert]

I'm having a problem comprehending why he would be looking for conformation on the pics from his PTP buddies. Dont kids look like kids, whats to confirm?

Don't know the facts but his explanation seems like bullshit.

 

[817MONA K]

This thing is getting old. Too much drama

 

[SensorForum]

Morality is a two way street, and in any case whoever dropped his info endangered PTP far more than any of this. People who push for the harshest punishments available when they have no power to implement those punishments themselves generally have terrible opinions. Perfect example are the staff on new sites trying to be "1337" by pushing for a global ban that they don't have the connections to implement, but it works fine for this situation as well.

PassThePopcron WILL be investigated. Despite their actions, I still have hope in PTP sysops to do the right thing in order to protect their members.

You have no proof of this. Is it likely? Sure. But you have no proof to conclusively say that the site would be taken down over this, especially since apparently instead of contacting the authorities they just gave the guy's info to some kiddie with prespam powers.

This has become far more serious, members of PTP are endangered, and I think PTP only has one obvious solution to protect their members. I hope PTP staff are not cowards to do the right thing; delete all members' database immediately and shut down the site, before it's taken for evidence by authorities.

PassThePopcorn is extremely unsafe at the moment.

Once again, you have no conclusive evidence towards this.

PTP hasn't been "safe" since they managed to have their database stolen publicly while people were watching the server hack via VNC. I'm not sure how you trusted them after that fiasco and don't trust them now.

And the accusations that an entire torrent site was built as a front for four people to trade cp links that could have easily been done via some other method are ridiculous, to say the least.

 

[busta5000_y]

This was stated nowhere that I've seen. "Child porn" in regards to Chan links is usually pics of 15-16 year old girls doing questionable things.

It's funny because I don't even have an account there

Do I believe what I'm saying? Yep. As for what he did being no big deal, I really don't see how what you're doing is any better. Just because one person in this situation is a jackass, doesn't mean the other is a saint.

Now my spell checker came up with 0 errors, so I am gonna assume that you're not that smart and think that US English is the only way to spell.

I'd think it doesn't take a genius to realize that just because a word is spelled correctly, it doesn't mean that the word is used correctly in context.

I could write a sentence saying "The post isn

 

[umaga100and7]

No one cares about Azazel we are talking about PTP as a site.

Your Garbage about Azazel is


*T0x be sure to answer my question in my last post, I am dying to hear the answer.

I tend to agree with you about the OP, I think his intention in including those links was clear enough and going on about that is a bit of a white elephant really.

However, I also think you, and some others, are going overboard here with linking PTP, as a site with x thousand members and probably more than a dozen staff (don't know or care, I have an account there but its hardly used and I'm not fussed about the place) to the actions of one individual. Which, despite all the prevarication, is what we're really talking about here.

Only the other couple of people involved on the voice side of the Skype convo actually know the whole context within which these images were linked from 4chan/wherever. Personally I don't find the explanation posted a couple of pages ago all that convincing, however I also don't find the idea of genuine pedophiles sharing their links during an unsecure group conversation any more convincing either. At best this individual is a pure idiot, at worst he's a complete scumbag, however its not really that suprising that his erstwhile friends and colleagues, who did know the full context and possibly know the individual personally, did not react at the time with the same outrage that everyone else informed of the partial story has

Nor is it all that surprising that some PTP members/staffers have kicked back against the OP of this thread, as he obviously does have some form of axe to grind against that site, evidenced even by the title of this thread. If one's concern is entirely to bring a potential pedophile to the attention of authorities etc, rather than making it about an entire internet site and its whole staff, then there are sgnificantly better ways to go about it than have been taken. Imo of course. The route that has been followed has allowed in many ways this discussion to become distracted and pushed those with potentially the most information etc into defending their site rather than looking at what is really important in this situation - whether someone is deliberately spreading illegal and disgusting material.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[jennnyy]

and I think youre a jackass.

Do you really think the authorities will handle this right?

Your a jackass if you think they won't take his computer and search every little bit of data he has send, received, and has stored.
He may have a database of users he backed up from a while ago... No one knows.

And if this does end up with a large penalty for Spektormax, you better bet your life he will rat out every single BT user to lessen his punishment.

Once again, I think the possibility of this getting that large is slim because the authorities rarely do shit anymore.
Although the small possibility of this shooting back at bittorrent is enough for me to say... no, we shouldn't release his information (or let me put that in the past tense, Shouldn't have released)

 

[alexandrite22]

If this guy is a pedo, he isnt your friend unless you are a pedo too!!

:yup::yup::yup::yup: well said that person