PassThePopcorn or PassTheChildPorn

[Britton]

Like it, or not, there isn't enough evidence to get a search warrant.

As I mentioned in my above post- there are A LOT OF CRIMES THAT OCCUR EVERY DAY.

Feel free to call the police yourself. Call the FBI, Interpol, The National Guard... Your call will go something like, "This guy posted 2 links to child porn online." Even if you had the guy's real name. Wait for it............No one is going to investigate.

from Six66Mike:

". . .let the cops decide", Eloquent simplicity. If interested in a drawn out version, read below.


1) You are wrong if you believe that authorities do not take ANY allegation of this sort VERY seriously. There are literally thousands of examples in divorce cases, etc. Where scant evidence and allegations have had as their end, serious investigations. Often times the person is not guilty, ask Pete Townsend

2) Imperfect justice? Of course, there is imperfect justice. A blind platitude, Perry. The fact is that because a society cannot prevent every drunk from driving a vehicle without significant infringements on the innocents liberty does not tell LE to stop all attempts at preventing them. Take simple but honest infringements on liberty, to wit, a random roadblock. Is this fair to innocent folk? Is it an infringements of personal privacy? Some argue it is. . . Random drug testing for jobs? Cameras taking pictures and then you are mailed a speeding ticket? Drug laws are legion and many catch up the innocent with the guilty. Are they infringements?

You type: "There IS technology that could monitor our every action online AND in the real world. We could have traffic cams at every intersection. Radar equipped cameras could record our roadways for speeders and drunk drivers. We could virtually eliminate street crime by posting video cameras in all public places. Our ISPs could turn over records to be scanned for our every page view and our emails could be previewed for suspicious activity. Since drug use leads to the deaths of innocents each year, we could ALL be required to send in MANDATORY blood and urine samples each month/week. All of our phone conversations could be screened as well"

I reply:
cf. above. I am, of course, ignoring MANY examples. Let's think through your example: Without the folks being unduly infringed upon there is no perfect justice, another (or the same) platitude. (There is no need here for me to drag up all of the rights and liberties US citizen have given up in the "drug war") The real issue in this case is about a guy posting his vile links to his 'buddies'. Nothing more and nothing less. NO REQUIREMENTS OF LOST LIBERTY ON INNOCENT CITIZENS.

2) If you think that if one of the parties copied the information as posted here and took it to the authorities and they would ignore it, cf. #1, so be it. BUT WHAT HAS THIS TO DO YOU WITH YOU? YOU HAVE A DUTY TO THE INNOCENTS OFFENDED AND IF YOU DO THAT DUTY AND IT FALLS STILLBORN THEN, SADLY, SO BE IT, ALSO.

3) As for the original poster, I suspect his motives are anything but sincere. But mine are quite sincere and not grandstanding. I simply find this behavior utterly vile. There are certain things that rank highest on my hierarchy of the degeneracy of crimes: The abuse of innocents tops the list.

Ultimately, what I saw convinced me that it was a site that I no longer wanted to be a member of. I see a small group of staff and a degenerate scumbag who was at some point a founder of the site involved in the reported conversation. Is this somehow completely oblique to the main site? Not for me. My life, my call.

This is my last post in this thread. I am allowing myself to get too upset. (I remember years ago I had a 'powerlifting' forum- the older threaded type forum- and we got overwrought in these internet debates. I lost sleep; I was angry, lol. But we knew real names and eventually met in person at meets and worked things out. Nevertheless, it's not worth it for me, now.)

Addenda as a final reply to below:

Thanks. (I have two sets of twins- 10 & 12.)

I guess we just disagree as to what LE considers large crimes. Alleged Federal infractions such as this, or other crimes they spend time on, say public intoxication. I suggest asking an officer if you happen to know any.

Screen shot -> links -> witness. If it doesn't provide enough for a search warrant it will put the light of day on him. The whole point is and has been that it was their duty to report it.

Inappropriate pics? That is a problematic and silly way to refer to what was evidently linked.

 

[Barbie]

If such content was posted on 510chan the poster of the content will be ip banned from the website, and legal actions may be taken against them.

We're beating a dead horse by fighting, and I've said what I needed to say. I do hope that legal actions are taken against those who uploaded the images though.

 

[Tori <3]

Lol, backie is an attention drama-seeking whore, not unlike yourself. Good to see you show solidarity for each other in these tough times

Aside from the atrocious spelling he's correct on most of the legal issues (libel/slander, etc). Though posting someone's info like that is illegal in several countries due to privacy violations and questionable guilt.

Now my spell checker came up with 0 errors, so I am gonna assume that you're not that smart and think that US English is the only way to spell.

 

[DJ T-RAY]

I think the safety of our filesharing protocol (bittorrent in this case) and the privacy of its users is our first concern in any situation.

and I think youre a jackass.

 

[Ashy :]]

they're still respectable human beings :idunno:

Yes they are. In some countries it's normal to be shorter than 4' 11". If you go to a country like Vietnam, and you're 6', they're going to consider you a giant.

 

[nowork4 cappy]

You and pM are of the same caliber in my book. :dry:

Technically Azazel was the one distributing the child pornography because he also included the links with the images he provided. Not that they matter or anything (they're surely 404'ed by now), but I'm just stating the facts.

I remember having read a post about him being the one distributing the CP because he posted it on a much larger forum, whereas pedoMax only shared the CP links with a couple of his friends. Shortly put, they both distributed CP.

In my stance, Azazel should be the one getting reported along with pedoMax. Both are guilty.

My two cents.

 

[need computer help]

I'll just leave this here

 

[hcl118]

So they found it amusing that he posted child pornography.

I didn't say that at all. I said it was a random LOL4chan picture that was posted by someone, with no intent towards anyone. The "encourage" part was sarcastic, because you were assuming it was to egg him on to share more pictures, when in fact it was something completely unrelated to what he was linking. The stupidity from you gets worse with each post, just wanted to remind you of that.

 

[nelly117]

How thougthful of you.So you are saying the guys running PTP an illegal filesharing network to run to FEDS and report this incident.Are you telling them to fuck their lifes themselfs?

Neither Stephen Hawking, I am telling these people if a guy posted such a vile link in a Skype conversation, then he should be turned into LE. Surely you get this, what with your demonstrable intellect. I guess you missed the part about it in no way occurring on the site itself.

File sharing versus the aforesaid. . . jeeze

And it's lives and themselves. . .

 

[Lauren Elise]

As a proud Pirate I do not want to be associated with a pedophile.
Nor do I want anyone else to get the idea that the two are even slightly related.

I don't care where he goes, as long as it isn't anywhere near filesharing protocols.

See. This thread has done more to connect filesharing with pedos than it has to rid the world of injustice. This was handled poorly.

 

[Casey Z]

I didn't say that at all. I said it was a random LOL4chan picture that was posted by someone, with no intent towards anyone.

So you think it is normal to post an lolpicture after someone posts some hard core child pornography?

Wait wait... Before you say it... I'm sure he was too busy with his problems in life to click on those links.
Poor guy... Just so busy...

 

[TeAnna K]

Also keep in mind that the child porn links he posted were made in a convo with 2 current sysops on ptp... I'm starting to think those guys are in collaboration with these activities. God knows how many times ptp staff/sysops/founders/etc have shared such links with each other in previous convos.

None of the staff at PassThePopcorn are affiliated with any activities involving underage pornographic photos. Spektormax is NOT active and had not been for a long time. As you see his class is founder and is not found on the Staff page. The staff at PTP got caught off guard by spektormax posting illegal photos off of 510. He was told to stop. Azazel could NOT hear the audio conversation between us and he took this out of context because we were obviously talking and not typing. He was in the chat, saw the photos and once again is trying to link shady activity with another tracker. Did any of you hear about his plans to f**k over BroadcastTheNet after they demoted and banned him??? Azazel is trying to put a bad rep on PTP because he does not get along with the community and was kicked off of staff.

I want to stress PassThePopcorn's staff & Sysops do not condone or have any interest in child porn. We are very disgusted by spektormax's activity's and have nothing to do with him anymore. PassThePopcorn has never been involved with child porn and we do not share these links, in fact we stay away from this material.

This is solely an act of Spektomax and not PassThePopcorn or its Sysops, or anyone else involved in thet skype call. Azazel is as guilty as we are for clicking those links.

PTP is a clean community, we do not even allow any adult material on the site via avatar, profile images, forums and anywhere else its possible to post adult material.

So get pissed off at Spektormax and no one else. He is obviously sick in the head and everyone told him to stop and go away.

 

[Matilda Rose]

If you go to a country like Vietnam, and you're 6', they're going to consider you a giant.

i thought that vietnamese were taller than peruvians

 

[s_is_for_skye]

agreed.

Notice from the pics I posted I DID speak to both sysops

i saw a hysterical teen without wisdom trying to act like a hero.

 

[t man]

yea LOL... I even starting giggling while reading Spektormax's post at how ridiculous the lie he came up with is... I may have actually believed a "my brother/roommate was on the computer using my Skype" rather than the pathetic far fetched lie that had no previous mention whatsoever by Z/jerrcs/jeremy or ExodusSquared. How stupid do you think people are, Spektormax?

These group of "friends" are all staff at PTP, you said yourself that the Skype convo was for discussing PTP and migrating to Gazelle RC2. PTP-staff irc channel and forums are for discussing site related matter, how do we not know that child porn links are being shared there too?

B, I would like to make sure that everyone understand that I do not want the internet community to turn around and go after Azazel for down right lieing; the more the situation is spoken of, the worse it becomes.

How did he lie? all of his claims were verified with screenshots... They were even verified by z/jerrcs/jeremy and ExodusSquared. You guys keep trying to turn this around against the OP... I don't understand why PTP staff keep doing this, it doesn't help with your situation at all.

C, the actions that occurred do not violated US Federal law, as distribution must be of the material, and not the link. If it was against the law to simply link to child pornography, then google would have been in jail years ago. Thus while perhaps the links should not have been posted, not even in private; this action does not violate any laws.

LOL. you really are misinformed. Not surprised hearing that from a pedophile such as yourself. You have WILLINGLY posted direct links to child porn images (knowing what they are). That is re-distribution of child porn material. Whether you have done this on forums/message boards/MSN/Skype/etc... Having produced the material itself or hosted it is irrelevant to the fact that act of re-distributing it is strictly illegal. Also keep in mind that Google does not have direct links to child porn images, Also, even if Google did index a website that contains illegal material, it was not done so willingly (the process is automated) and they continuously remove such websites from their index. Both of these situations cannot be compared.

In other words, if PTP staff would step up and release your details to the authorities, you will receive a knock on the door. However PTP staff have decided to protect this pedophile; that tells us a lot about them...

The more PTP staff try to comment on the situation, the worse they make it for themselves and their site. They're only adding fuel to the fire... their reactions and how they're dealing with this matter is extremely downright wrong, and quite frankly, a bit hilarious!

 

[egsgs]

It seems like you've been against a lot of people lately, Aza. :lol:

Jokes aside, it's downright wrong. I mean stumbling onto it on the fap board of a random chan site is excusable, not like he was looking for it (or was he) but spreading it around is just wrong. I'm not going to ask his friends to report him to the feds, for all we know, they went and had a buddy-gasm to the pictures after talking about it. However, it'll be funny to see how this one plays out, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few sick pre's.

Also, I like all the well known people browsing this thread, quite hilarious how people show up just to see the latest drama.

 

[cap]

I have decided that it is time to explain my actions to the community as these accusations have gone long enough. The following is a brief summary of the events of the 24 hours leading up to the incident:
Around 1-4am the night before, Z and I were speaking about various RC2 related things. I had been asked by him to run some numbers for the new bonus points system. After getting tired of 'working', Z mentioned that he had a Virtual Machine with Windows 95 on it. After we played around with the Windows 95 machine, we proceeded to move on to his XP Virtual Machine. Because it was a virtual machine, we decided to see how many viruses we could get installed on it and then see how the hooked into the kernel, what they connected to etc. I decided that the best way to acquire a large amount of viruses was to visit adult sites, as many of them will have you download 'video.exe' or other similar dangerous files.

However, after having some difficulty finding a site that hosted a virus, we decided to simply google for 'porn tube'. After going down 2 pages of links, we decided to skip to page 9 or so in order to have a higher chance of finding a less reputable site. This is were we encountered to our surprise a huge amount of child pornographic pictures which we moved on from and continued to search for more viruses.

The next day Z, exodusquared and I were in a skype conversation, while Azazel was in the chat (he was NOT part of the call). After discussing more RC2 related material, I had mentioned to exodusquared that Z and I had stumbled upon Child Porn on the internet, and that I was surprised how unhidden it was. Exodus and Z mentioned that its much more likely to stumble upon Child Porn on 4chan. To my disbelief after refreshing /b a few times, I did see child porn and some links to '510chan'. I posted a link to the tread as well a copy of the links in the thread, and asked if they thought these were child porn.

Approximately 5 minutes later I was informed by exodusquared that Azazel had contacted him over IRC and said that he was 'sickened by me, that he was going to leave PTP, and that he wanted my personal information.' He never spoke to me, or any of the skype chat; he simply spoke to exodusquared about it, and then went on his anti-ptp smear campain.

Had Azazel been present during the conversation, he would understand that the links were not posted for the purpose of disgusting anyone, but simply to confirm that indeed Z and exodusquared were correct in saying that there is Child Porn on 4chan an other xchan sites.

This entire situation has been blown WAY out of proportion by Azazel, instead of speaking to me, he has created an anti-ptp internet war for his own benefit. Regardless of this explanation, I have since been removed from PTP and my server access removed. I don't have much of a problem with this since my relationship with various PTP staff and site members has caused me to reconsider my involvement prior to this issue.

At the end of the day, I am providing this explanation to A immediately stop all of the 'mud slinging against PTP', regardless of my former association with the tracker, this incident was between a few friends, and does not have ANYTHING to do with PTP. B, I would like to make sure that everyone understand that I do not want the internet community to turn around and go after Azazel for down right lieing; the more the situation is spoken of, the worse it becomes. C, the actions that occurred do not violated US Federal law, as distribution must be of the material, and not the link. If it was against the law to simply link to child pornography, then google would have been in jail years ago. Thus while perhaps the links should not have been posted, not even in private; this action does not violate any laws. D, I would like to ask that this thread, and all others started from it stop immediately the association that Pham's child is in any way related to this incident, the comment was generated by Azazel, and I have IRC logs to prove it.

This being said, I hope that the community can move past this incident, and that PTP will continue to flourish; despite my lack of involvement. I would like to also remind PTP staff, that your lack of trust in me, and not asking me first about the incident before posting in a public forum disheartens me greatly.

Thank you very much for your time,
Spektormax
Former Founder and Sysop of PassThePopcorn.

Nice to know what really happened. Thanks.

 

[asgodintended]

Also Tv controls you,you are really controlled by TV lol.Just because someone from a group posted some links,how can the whole group be held responsible?and they also said very clearly that they dont condone it anywhere in their forums or irc.You are just stirring up shit war.

 

[~*~Ashlyn~*~]

Holy crap, you can copy and paste Wikipedia (even leaving the footnote references intact)! We're all proud of your strong research skills and clear knowledge of the law.

Pedomax and his cohorts have admitted that what has been said about him posting child porn is the truth. It's been admitted and publically accepted.

There is no slander here whatsoever. The claims would have to be false which they aren't for a case to be made.

The claim is that he was trying to willfully distribute child porn using PTP as a front, which has yet to be proven. If you think he's the first idiot in the torrenting world to post questionable jailbait chan links, you might want to check out a few of the more immature tracker forums. Also note that I never said libel had been committed, merely that it had been spelled incorrectly.

Like which ones? It's apparently against OVH's policy, so I'm assuming that posting information like that online is illegal in the UK.

Most of the western world actually, you're supposed to give explicit permission for any of that to be posted or written in any sort of media.

Once again, DOX dropping is what pathetic teenagers do when think they're more important in the world than one kid behind a computer posting on a forum. Those details should have been sent to the authorities of his country of residence, not posted in some sad attempt to get the torrenting world to rally against a site that gave you the boot (and it isn't even the first one to do so... lmao).

 

[Moiraes Fate]

I'm always better in the re-writes but then it's like a day too late.