OT: It's Catherine with a C, folks

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Ophelia wrote:

"of Wales"


Well, that's why Wills got a dukedom, so she wouldn't need to use it. I
remember I got so confused when I was in England for my junior year abroad
and kept hearing about Princess Michael of Kent. "That poor woman!
Whatever were her parents thinking, naming her Michael?!" The penny
finally dropped.


Not officially/legally. She was HRH The Princess of Wales. What people
outside the court called her, of course, is another matter.


Yes, they let her keep the modified title (minus HRH) as part of the
settlement.

Catherine will be "Queen Catherine" (God willing) but not "Princess
Catherine" of anything - at least, not officially, unless (God forbid)
something horrible happens and the sovereign grants her the style. *

* The Queen granted the style to her late aunt-by-marriage, Princess
Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, upon the death of Prince Henry, Duke of
Gloucester. Princess Alice was born Lady Alice (iow, not a princess in
her own right). At Henry's death, their son became Duke and his wife
the Duchess. Princess Alice for some reason did not wish to be known as
the Dowager Duchess of Gloucester and petitioned for the title change.

Charlotte
(ok, the part about the titles here I had in my head. Occasionally some
of the oddball info I keep track of is socially useful. ;)


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"Lyndon Watson" wrote in message
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On May 1, 9:24 am, "Ophelia" wrote:

She was never Princess Diana. The queen did not grant her that
title. She was granted the title "Diana, Princess of Wales" and, as
someone else has noted, her marriage entitled her to be called
"Princess Charles" which, as far as I know, she never was. Apart from
that, the only title she had of right was "Lady Diana Spencer" as the
daughter of an earl.

LW

And that's that!

Felice
 
On 30/04/2011 6:32 PM, Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:


Okay.... Pet peeve of mine..... game shows like Jeopardy often have
questions about British monarchs. My view is that if some
king or queen is the first one with that name, they are not X the first.
They are simply X. The 16th Century Queen Elizabeth was simply Queen
Elizabeth, not Queen Elizabeth I or Queen Elizabeth the first.
 
In article
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spamtrap1888 wrote:



You've got it, all right. It was before my time (I wasn't born until
1949, and rather late in the year at that), but I've read about it. At
the time, it was the only World War, so there was no need to tack the
"1" onto it. It was often referred to as the "war to end all wars":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_war_to_end_war

Many felt that there could never be another World War. Of course, once
there was another World War, then there had to be a way to differentiate
them, so they were then numbered.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]
 
Dan Abel wrote:



One historian i read made the observation that one of Louis XIV's
seventeenth century Wars was the first World War, in that, limited as it
was, it involved almost all of the European world at that time,
including colonies.

Both W.W. I & II are badly termed such as at no time in recorded history
has the entire world of all nations been formally at war with each other.

For all the social evolution in the modern world mankind is really no
better, morally, than it was 2,ooo years ago.

We used to have, "Great Wars," civil wars, revolutionary wars, Boer
wars, Crusades & etc. now we just number them.

It boggles my mind that American is in Afghanistan, talk about history
repeating itself! I thought it amusing for the Russians to be there,
sort of a curse of the Tzars foreign policy:)
--
JL
 
In article ,
Dave Smith wrote:

She was Queen Elizabeth no-number in her lifetime but after 1952 she
wasn't the only (regnant) Queen Elizabeth. The ordinals/numerals became
necessary at that time.

I haven't seen numerals/ordinals attached to the ones who were the only
one of their names so far (post-Conquest: Stephen, John, Anne, Victoria).

Charlotte
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In article , [email protected] says...

The Crown Estates, confusingly named, do not belong to the Crown (or
Sovereign) but to the State, which manages them and receives the income
from them.


I think you mean the Civil List. The only Civil List payment is to the
Queen and her consort for the expenses of their official duties; William
doesn't get a Civil List income. He's financially supported from his
father's income from the Duchy of Cornwall estates; and inheritance from
Diana.

Janet UK
 
On 30/04/2011 7:09 PM, Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:
e oddball info I keep track of is socially useful. ;)

That is my point. If there is only one, there is not ordinal. If they
were the first, then they were, to that point, the only. Queen
Elizabeth I was Queen Elizabeth for roughly 400 years, not Elizabeth I.
 
"spamtrap1888" wrote

That's the way the rules are. William may be king someday, but Kate will
never be queen. She (and Diana) were not royalty and cannot hold the title.
At best, she will be Queen Consort.
 
Dave Smith wrote:


Until Elizabeth 2's accession there was no formal usage of Queen
Elizabeth 1. Only when there are 2 does a regnal number come in. For
Example, if William had a daughter, he named Victoria and she came to
the throne she would be Victoria II. Not to be confused with Queen
Victoria's Imperial cipher VRI where I stands for Imperial and not 1.

THe Queen mum though also named Elizabeth was no more referred to as
Elisabeth II than her Mother in law was as Mary III. And if Duchess of
Cambridge becomes QUeen consort she wont be Catherine III, through her
husband might be William V iirc.

Charles III i always thought had a nice ring to it.
--
JL
 
In article ,
[email protected] says...

She (and Diana) were not royalty and cannot hold the title.

They are Royalty and Kate will acquire the title Queen when William
becomes King. (Diana would havem had she satyed married to Charles)


Queen Consorts are still called "Queen".. like Queen Elizabeth, the Queen
Mother.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_mother

Royalty is defined as members of the Royal family who are close blood
relatives of the Sovereign (or married to one); both the blood rellies and
their spouses are titled Royal Highness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Royal_Family#List_of_members

As Royalty Kate is now addressed as Your Royal Highness (same as P
Philip, and Diana before the divorce). Her full title is

Her Royal Highness Princess William Arthur Philip Louis, Duchess of
Cambridge, Countess of Strathearn, Baroness Carrickfergus

Like P Philip and Diana, and the Queen Mother, Kate will never be in
the line of succession to the throne.


Janet.UK
 
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