BMW guys don't wave back. And cruiser guys are different from Harley guys. Definitely not the same crowd. OCC??? I remember the show where Paul Jr. drilled a hole in a tire while trying to mount a fender mount. Oh wait, he's an artist. Right. Why not have a show where someone builds a MOTOGP bike from parts laying on a table? That would be more interesting to me, but I guess the viewing public would rather see someone throwing wrenches or a chair through a window, or just yelling all the time, hence most of the crap we see on TV. Rides is a much better program, they do the work right, it's not about just being "over the top".