Opinion: Terminator 2 hasn't aged well

Aliens is one of the few films I can watch every couple of years and still enjoy as much as I did the first time. It's just a great ride. Only a bit of the model work dates it.

Having rewatched T2 a while back, I couldn't see much wrong with it either. The extended version on dvd kills much of the tension but in its original format, its fine.

The Abyss, however, was pretty dodgy last time I saw it. The cold war analogies really date the film and the finale with the underwater ship/city/whatever coming out of the sea is now unintentionally funny.

In terms of films not aging well, the winner from modern has to be Goldeneye. The awful score and seventies-Bond-stylings mean it is nothing short of embarrassing compared to Casino Royale.
 
When it came out I thought "Arnie v The Devil? Cool!" but I was 17 at the time and couldnt see it in the cinema :o :D In one way the tone/story is quite serious, but Gabriel Byrne hams it up, which is fun :D
 
I agree that time has taken its toll on the once jaw dropping looking special effects of T2.

I can't agree that The Terminator looks better; the special effects in that are shocking, but it is actually a better film than T2, as that suffered from ridiculous political correctness, i.e., a film about a killing machine that is programmed NOT to kill!:eek::mad:

T3 was just an ego trip for Arnie & should never have been made, although I admit that it is a fairly enjoyable film if taken in isolation.
 
I completely disagree. T2 looks like a 90's film and it was set in the 90's. It's held up extremely well and I'd still rate it as the greatest action movie ever made.

The Terminator is far more dated, even down to the score)

(Meanwhile T3 is ropey and Terminator:Salvation is shyte)



This has nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with Arnie wanting to sanitise his image. Plenty of people are killed in T2, just not at the hanRAB of T-800.
 
As can I. I fail to see any problem.

I did not bother with T3 simply because Cameron and Hamilton where not involved as for 4, well Bale is no Arnie.
 
I can happily sit & watch T2 (& Aliens) again & again, years after they were released (I actually watched Aliens yesterday, & T2 fairly recently).

I doubt I'll be bothered to ever watch Avatar again though...
 
Interested by what you mean by "seventies-Bond-stylings".

I don't think the score is that bad (but far too reminiscent of Eric Serra's score for Leon) , but it's certainly not Bondian. Thankfully, they hired David Arnold after that and his score for Tomorrow Never Dies is mostly excellent.

But I've got very little bad to say about GoldenEye. Easily Brosnan's best Bond film. And in terms of being dated; Die Another Day has the worst special effects since the 70's BonRAB, and The World is Not Enough has the buzz presence of the Millennium Dome and mentions of the Millennium bug.
 
You don't need to apologise for disagreeing; you're fully entitled to your opinion, which I respect, just like I am entitled to my opinion, which is not rubbish.
 
Some scenes worked. Good CGI is invisible; we tend to notice the scenes where it doesn't work. For example, where the T-Rex is snapping up the little running things didn't look right for me. The problem was made worse by the clip being used in trailers and review programmes. Initially there's too much going on to absorb, but by the time I saw it in the cinema I'd watched it a dozen times, and then I noticed the flaws. I couldn't tell you what was wrong - lighting, motion blur, whatever. It just didn't look real.

(I looked but couldn't find it on You Tube, perhaps because it is poor. It's outdoors, in sunshine, and they are jumping over a log or something.)

Yes; they used lots of fog and rain so you could hardly see the T-Rex itself.
 
No it's not aged well, but then I was never much a fan of it in the first place. The most inventive, visually arresting sequence is when they break Sarah Conner out of the asylum, but after that it's a spent force, and resorts to bloated smash and crash interspersed with lengthy bouts of tedium. The brevity, tension and verve of the first one are sorely missed. Mind you, my favourite Cameron film is still True Lies, so make of this what you will.
 
op-srs ?

I've watched it a few time on the showings and thought it was done beautifully. The more i've watched it the more "cinematic tips" I've noticed. The way the camera moves, shakes, pans. Lots of the specials scenes in T2 only last a fraction of a second, but have so much effect.

Given that new films are a massive CG trip, I watched Aliens and got a new appreciation of how they filmed that - given that most of it was plastic models, greenscreens etc. Noticed the camera angles, smoke, etc

T1 I thought looked a bit dated, stop motion and some robotic models. The music in T1 and the hair is verreh 80's... T3 I always thought was a film they made because they made it. really enjoyed T4. jm2p.
 
I'm not a fan of CGI at all. But Jurassic Park is the only film that has ever looked good to me.

I think that the people making CGI are not realising that people are seeing the same thing but their brains(?) are interpreting what they are seeing differently.
SounRAB crazy I know. :o

But it literally is ruining films for me. The moment there's a cgi scene I lose the involvement in the story/film unless it's something that's not trying to look real, like toy story.

It "jars" is the best way to RABcribe what happens when I see a cgi background. It's the equivilent of seeing the little girl in red in Schindler's List when the rest of the film is in black and white.
 
I saw Goldeneye at the weekend, the first time I've watched it for eight years or so. I loved it. I think its got a sharp plot, a good script, great characters, good action sequences and personally I have no problem whatsoever with the music. I'm aware that some of the Bond faithful tend to sneer at it; that's their loss IMO. if you want a really embarrassing Bond movie you should look no further than the truly dreadful mess that is Quantum Of Solace.
 
I think it is still ok and doesnt seem dated. I watched it on Blu ray last weekend and still seems fresh to me. Last night I watched the terminator on DVD and it seemed really really dated, I might see it differrently if watched in HD I don't know.
 
Agreed.

That is one film that neeRAB a modern scene by scene remake.

The 1984 special effects do not do the film enough justice IMHO.
 
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