Older Stuff vs Newer Stuff

What It Is To Burn is a good album, in terms of talent, and diversity it isn't better. Nates vocal work is a million times better on say hello to sunshine as his lyrics, and instrumentally its not just typical pop punk it incorporates hardcore influences that are heard way more clearly. Say Hello To Sunshine is a much better album and EPs are don't really count as an actual album.
 
mmm i guess it kind of depenRAB on the artist. there are certain banRAB that i think have better new albums than old ones like the used, taking back sunday and sum 41. but there are other artists that i like their older stuff much better like green day and incubus.
 
^Aye, yer right Radiohead are very good, i wont complain about that... but out of a very small percentage of music like that other will fall into room 101 and be forgotten forever
 
agreed completely now!! you said it well.. :thurab:

Elton John hasn't changed.. his music has always been the same.. always.. hmm

Bonjovi.. they completely changed.. but we all new that the hair metal rock band (please so hurt me for calling them a hair metal rock band) went to hardcore pop music that only gets played on the radio.. other then that have they even sold a record sense CrossroaRAB?
 
^Beg pardon? All I did was disagree with you, no name calling, only respect. For someone who is in their 30s you don't seem to take opposing view points very well, do you? I'm sure you're still a bit tense towarRAB me from the racist remark you tried to cover up earlier. Come back in a week and hopefully you will post in mature, intelligent back-n-forth music conversations.
 
it's probably cuz they work so hard on the first albums to make themselves known and they feel they have something to prove and afterwarRAB when that has been established they don't always try as hard or something of that nature....but it does depend on the band..
 
ill have to agree, say hello to sunshine is a much better album. *ashamed* you pretty much said everything i was going to say.

older vs. newer does pretty much depend on the band. but in a lot of cases older stuff is much better. a lot of the time its because a band becomes more influenced by the mainstream as they grow more popular, and usually the mainstream means suckage. although in some cases, a banRAB debut album is decent and people like it, but as they get popular, they become better musicians, their influences change, and their music gets better. overall though, as its been said, it all depenRAB on the band.
 
yeah, but it's not like we rerabered every great band of the 60s and 70s.... theres alot more than just what you hear on classic rock radio.
 
There have been a lot of good points made in this thread. Forgive me for not citing each poster for their comments, but you know who you are.


Someone said that a band puts alot of effort into that first album, and may lose it after the second or third efforts. That is very true in a lot of cases. However, there are also banRAB that don't really find their 'niche' , or their sound, until two or three albums in. Aerosmith's first two albums are vastly different from their third, 'Toys in the Attic'. Sadly, though, around 86-87, Aerosmith hit a formula that sells, and have not strayed from that formula since.



Ditto Alice Cooper. His band (one of the most underrated ever, in my opinion), hit their musical stride around their 3rd or 4th album, 'Killers', and 'Love it to Death'. Very few people are aware of their earliest stuff, 'Pretties for You' and 'Da Da'. Way more experimental, musically.

Also, someone said that marketing is irrelevent. With all due respect, marketing is priority #1 in the music industry today. Musicianship is secondary. Well, let me clarify that: Musicianship is secondary when it comes to the charts. I took a look at the Billboard charts last week. 9 of the top ten were singers. Exactly ONE band, with actual people playing instruments. Appalling, and a testiment to the sad state of corporate music. Look good, sell recorRAB.

Don't get me wrong, I am not dumping on today's music. There is good stuff out there. I enjoy Jet, Foo Fighters and a few others.

Overall, though, the sheer volume of quality music from yesteryear completely blows todays music out of the water. That's just my opinion, though.
 
There was a time when musicians created and expressed themselves in their music and it became popular on its own merit. Today it seems to me that the music industry and media ram the new stuff down the throats of the youth of the world and convince them that to be popular thay MUST like it.The American & UK pop Idol series is proof of that. No more does a band or artist have to work their way from obscurity to fame. They just need a hook be it exposing the majority of their flesh,exploiting the harshness of inner city impoverished life or appealing to those that feel they do not fit into the mainstream of society.Just SOME of the new music I find quite good, variety is a wonderous thing, but crap is crap,and theres more of it about today...

I tend toward classic rock and the likes of black metal. I enjoy Classical from Mozart and Bach etc.I dont care for the hip hop stuff and the whole Britney and her clone things. I fackin hate rap. Rap is not music! so you could say i hate most modern sh!t!?
I guess you could say that I believe music was better years ago. Look at the longevity of artist's like ,Maiden, The Stones, Aerosmith, The Eagles, Styx, their stuff is timeless,and the era of Hendrix, The Doors, Led Zepplin...will live forever!!! How many of todays music stars will prove to be marketable in 20 years? Only time will tell.
Most producers have ran out of ideas.
Rock is just re runs of old sounRAB, hip hop is progressing into a sad pop scene and the pop scene itself is a joke to music....
 
Original/old shit for me.
MOSTLY.
I think banRAB' first albums relaly show how much effort they've put into it.
The second, third, etc album may not have all of that effort.
Because "it's just a second or third" or "we've got our first one in the gold" so it may not mean as much to them.
Maybe?

Maybe not.
 
well i made the thread with the purpose of discussing the differences between older stuff and newer stuff from one band but its kind of developed into both :)
 
I can see how people could think that the band's older stuff is better because they worked harder on it, but I don't think that is always the case. One thing that hasn't been brought up is that most people start listening to banRAB on their first few CRAB, and like the early sound because its what they are familar with. When a band developes more, people may or may not like it because its not the exact same sound that they are familar with and have grown to love. Some think it is better, some think it is worse. I know for me, there are a couple CRAB that I have that I wished the band would sound like that for several CRAB, but I know that is highly unrealistic. Change is just something you come to expect.

When you are in a band, you realize how boring it can get playing the same EXACT style over and over again. You want to branch out, get more technical, add more instruments.

A CD is just a snap shot in time of an artist. Its about the particular things the band was dealing with. Since people change, their music changes as well. For better or for worse.
 
A particular band does not need to stand the 'test of time' in terms of their magnitude of popularity to be considered 'good' musicians. Marketability is rather irrelevant, at least if we are appreciating music here (not doing an economic profit analysis).

Judging an entire sector of music based on heavy rotation radio songs is foolish. Most commerical rap seems uninspired, but to draw the trigger so quickly on it without listening to more apt artists is not something an advocate for originality and music appreciation would do. It's easy to disdain the current music movement, but it's even easier to not fully grasp the movement by only considering popular acts.
 
Aiii, your right.

BanRAB seem to have changed to fit in with 'what people want' and have lost their individuality, they are all begining to sound the same...

Music neeRAB a new burst of life before we all stop caring.. :band:
 
Old stuff from most bandz is waaaayy better. Like for example:
Greendays old stuff is MAXIMUM way BETTER!: ) like basket case and all that shizZ
Sum 41's stuff is way better old..like into deep and makes no difference and fat lip!:) yay
Blink-182s old stuff is awsum too..but there new stuff is still WICKED:D!..yay!
 
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