OK, Talk me out of BT(pros & cons)

madbeer said:
I like utilizing my upload bandwidth to share torrents. Also you get the elitist feeling when you are on the hot trackers.
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Utilizing upload BW is good for those who have a fast connection for some one like me who's up speed is 25KBs it can be painful, it takes upto 24hrs for me to upload 1Gb and thats when am not downloading anything, this means my computer must be running all the time which makes me nervous, on most of the tracker i didnt upload more then 100GB which is a result of years of uploading until i bought an seed box to get some buffer on TL but now i prefer to pay that money on newsgroup then buying seedbox.

And i dont know how being part of a tracker makes you feel elite if you just go there to download. you will be elite in eyes of noobs who still use kazaa to download or buy their software needs. you will feel elite when you tell them that they suck and you rock by not paying your way to getting a game unlike them.
 
orfik said:
I've downloaded a few FLAC albums off newsgroups and the logs were all wrong, if they had any at all (usually just nfo). Also, if y'all want to save some money, most of the stuff from Newsgroups goes right to DC++, just join the better hubs.
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I indeed come across incorrect logs or rips with Usenet, but not nearly as much as I do with bittorrent trackers like oink and now waffles. E**** seems to be the diamond in the rough. Waffles is filled with the shit. Just since it's start, I've had to report over half the "FLAC" rips I've downloaded as bullshit, virtual drive, garbage.

I convert every rip I download to a single CDImage, verifying against AR in the process, so I know if what I have is truly lossless.

I join the FLACs into a single wav (via CUETools) and mount them with Daemon Tools, to determine the pregpa lengths. If they match up to what the EAC logs show, the rip is bullshit.

Sometimes newbies follow the EAC ripping guide exactly, without even understanding what they are doing. Just reverse the oRABet (-12) via CUETools (assuming the original rip was done with the right oRABet to start with), and remount in Daemon Tools, then retest with arcue.pl. If you get a 100% match, again, the rip is bullshit.

As for DC being commensurable to Usenet, that's laughable.
 
bluejay said:
Why isn't it more popular then? (honest question)
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Although usenet has got easier some people are just too daft to understand it. I have tried spent hours online trying to get folks to use it. Either I am not a good teacher or they are pretty thick but so far my success rate has been zero. Ah well more server speed for me.:frusty:
 
That's funny, because I've had great luck with waffles and what.cd when it comes to proper logs, but it may just be the type of music I listen to (it breeds anal retention). For the log itself, I'm only interested in proper pre-gap length, CRC verification, no c2, and no extraction errors.

ORABet correction is useless to me. Read correction is to make sure it doesn't lose small fractions of seconds at the beginning of data set, which only really matters very far down the reproduction line, when those errors affect real data and not complete silence.

To verify whether or not the rip is lossless, I just convert the FLACs to WAVs and run them through Cool Edit Pro for WA/SA. You seem pretty knowledgeable, though, so tell me if I should really bother verifying them through Daemon Tools.

And I don't know. I'm only care about music and obscure film, and Newsgroups just didn't do anything for me. DC was on par in my experience. Maybe I'll try it again.
 
Most major usenet providers use paypal now. And anyone can get a credit card at Walgreens or Walmart so thats not an issue. Hell, even Paypal issues a credit card for free now.

I enjoy the speed of usenet. And if something is a couple of months old and now I decide to get it, I don't have to worry if there are enough seeders so I dont wait days for the transfer to complete. I get max speed all the time on usenet- if the file is 6 months old or 5 minutes.

Another reason, is the vast amount of data available. Let's take Xbox 360 as an example. If you combine every tracker that carries 360 stuff right now, they still wouldn't have the same amount of games as usenet has available with a good premium server like Giganews.
 
aburyach said:
Personally I use both...best of both worlds
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Yes you make sense. This should not be about mine is better than yours. After all we share right? So share information to.

I see little need myself to use DC hubs. But I am always open to suggestion. It just seems to me some people post to promote something that maybe works for them but maybe more to promote this option. I have tried DC and it is not for me. Other places both p2p and server do what is required far better. Use DC if it works for you.. not me:01:
 
orfik said:
That's funny, because I've had great luck with waffles and what.cd when it comes to proper logs, but it may just be the type of music I listen to (it breeds anal retention). For the log itself, I'm only interested in proper pre-gap length, CRC verification, no c2, and no extraction errors.

ORABet correction is useless to me. Read correction is to make sure it doesn't lose small fractions of seconds at the beginning of data set, which only really matters very far down the reproduction line, when those errors affect real data and not complete silence.

To verify whether or not the rip is lossless, I just convert the FLACs to WAVs and run them through Cool Edit Pro for WA/SA. You seem pretty knowledgeable, though, so tell me if I should really bother verifying them through Daemon Tools.

And I don't know. I'm only care about music and obscure film, and Newsgroups just didn't do anything for me. DC was on par in my experience. Maybe I'll try it again.
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There are several popular methods, though I am not familiar with the Cool Edit Pro method.

Most bullshit rips are done with a virtual drive and 99% of people use Daemon Tools as their virtual drive of choice. Since asshole pneubs are predictable and I assume they use Daemon Tools, I just retrace their steps. I won't go into detail with the how-to's as I won't teach anyone how to falsify rips. (Not saying you, just in general)

A good place to start is Audiochecker - http://www.dester.hu/English/home_e.html
 
Dean141 said:
BT couldnt pay me to use it
Newsgroups i would be happy to eat shit for it
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How graphic. Anyway, I used to use audiochecker, but it returned too many false positives (1 in 20). Cool Edit allows you to run a spectral analysis on the WAV to see if it represents the full frequency spectrum. You can tell the difference between a proper WAV and a transcode by looking for compression artifacts in the waveform. So, at the end of the day, if I download an album with a proper log, proper cue, and impeccable music files, then kudos to the uploader if it is a fake, since they went through way too much trouble.

I wouldn't mind trying Newsgroups again, though. What's the best free option?
 
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