Ok, I took the plunge...

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Chocolatemafia

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Ordered new iPAQ 4155 PDA today....will take it for a test drive.

Any hints/suggestions for a new WM 2003 user or anyone using both WM devices and Palm PDA devices?

Wonder how I'm going to transfer my data from my T3 to the WM device....
 
I once took the plunge when I outgrew my old Palm III. I used an iPAQ until I started having compatiblity issues when synchronizing with GroupWise. But, from what I understand, you now finally have Wi-Fi. I am glad that battle is done.

On your data transfer, if you have been synchronizing your T3 with Outlook, then everything should transfer to the iPAQ after you have installed ActiveSync.

If you plan on beaming data from the T3 to the iPAQ, you will need to install Peacemaker Pro on the iPAQ.

You can get Peacemaker Pro at http://www.conduits.com . Good Luck!
 
I have to say . . . Good Goin'.

I've made my plans clear on this forum - get a spare T3 when the prices drop, and hopefully "hang out" with OS5 for a while. I might do the same tomorrow if I didn't have the T3 "tweaked" and full of apps I frankly would miss too much to be without.

HOWEVER: I must say that from what I'm hearing here and elsewhere, I would rather buy a PPC than Cobalt. If the worst fears are true you'll be able to use about as many "slick" Palm OS apps in Cobalt as you can on a PPC anyway . . . so you might as well jump and get the cool battery packs, WiFi and 600+MHz processor. Applications tend to be MUCH larger, but that's the way Palm's going too, so that's moot.

This is why I went with OS5 and sacrificed a little of what I had in OS4. Hopefully I'm wrong, and Cobalt whizzes in with terrific compatibility for older applications - if it doesn't I'm not interested in doing without my "faves." I have paid particular attention to discussion of "launchers" on here lately, since apparently my "choice" may well NOT FUNCTION in OS6. Sad. It USED to be all about "10,000 developers writing programs worldwide." Many hung it up after OS5, and a LOT MORE will after OS6.

If you're not excited about being bound to a cellphone/PDA combo, and want to use older apps, you may well be sorry OS6 ever materialized. KimH has taken the big leap and will almost certainly miss some of his Palm apps - but the rot stops there and he's got a reliable OS that hasn't (as far as I know) required any of the "fixes" the T3 needed nor the bugs the T3 still has.

I won't say "good luck;" I'll say this: congratulations. Bold move but now you'll know for sure. There must be alternate launchers to "make it Palmish" and there may be "cooler" stuff for business on PPC than has been available for Palm in a long time.
 
Paul,

Thanks for the kind words...this is a very mixed bag of emotions for me. I've been using Palm PDA's since the days of the Palm I was launched and I have been strong supporter since day one. However with the changing technologies available and the requirements changing I feel Palm is at least 2 years behind - even with the specs on new rumored T5.

Yup - there are a multitude of skins available for Windows Mobile devices and a TON of other neat little tweaks I'm looking forward to. One exciting feature is being able to stream shoutcast music via wifi across the WM device and listen to music.

My only complaint so far with WM devices I don't like the fact that everything is bundled into Outlook and would much prefer seperate programs to view/edit/store documents. This is because in the office my WM device would sync with Outlook and I would need to make sure than not everything is uploaded to corporate network :eek:

After using the HP 4155 for sometime in the store I was impressed how small and how powerful the PDA was. Usually I think of bricks when using WM devices. :)

Check out rabroad's review: http://www.rabroad.com/article/ipaq_h4155_review?site=PPC

I've already sold my T3....I will depart with it sadly on Monday. I'm going to play with the HP 4155 over the weekend and hopefully I'm set on it by then.
-KimH
 
Looks like the T5 will not have built in WiFi....what are they thinking?

http://www.rabroad.com/article/A_Look_Ahead_at_Upcoming_palmOne_Tungstens_and_Treos?site=Palm

"In addition, one of these sources gave 1src a description and a picture of the T5. Supposedly, this model will run Palm OS Cobalt and have both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth.

However, a third source has come forward to say that this description of the T5 is incorrect. This person went on to say that the T5 won't have Wi-Fi but it will have an amazing 256 MB of memory."
 
After hearing from you I went online last night and found a similar site to Freeware Palm for Freeware PPC. I noticed there are lot of SMALL apps for convenience ware (RPM Calcs, simple off buttons, etc) available - but I really would miss some of my Palm Stuff.

Bonsai 3.2.1 upgrade (free TO REGISTERED USERS, I might add - God Bless George Wayland at Natara) came out today and it's just fantastic - there's no PPC equivalent. I believe Agendus has a PPC equivalent, as does MobileDB4 from Handmark. That's something at least.

Unfortunately there are NO Teal PPC apps and probably won't be - and you all know how I feel on that. I guess you just have to make the leap and "leave stuff behind;" I know I noticed when moving up from the M505 that half the "hacks" I was using weren't even necessary with the T3, so weren't really that "missed." You don't need to overclock 33MHz when you've got 388MHz.

But losing out on small things like DateDiff, TomCatalog and FindHack would make life difficult for me - and correct me if I'm wrong but there really is NO LAUNCHER for PPC - you hit "Start" to get in and out of apps? Is that right? No "icon launch" and certainly nothing like TealLaunch or ScreenButton OR SilverScreen or MegaLauncher or changeable graffiti tweaks like TealScript . . . .

Man, it would be a "plunge." On the other hand you must get SOMETHING with a PPC that Palm doesn't have (like WiFi and the Shoutcast thing) . . . PLEASE let us know on THIS FORUM what your thoughts are as this really is a relevant thread on a Tungsten-T forum - let's face it -- we've all considered it to one degree or another and especially lately. I'm literally a "Palm Teal Lover" and would like to be "palm teal loyal," but 2 years behind is 2 years behind -- and compounding that aggravation for me is that they're bleeding out new versions of hardware like the diamond market and MILKING every little nuance for another $400 instead of REVAMPING while making older models still available. No WiFi on T5??!! What a crock of ****. What the hell's it good for then? Surfing via bluetooth (if it works with your phone driver) while listening to an MP3? My nipples are hard.

You SHOULD be able to get a T5 for $500 and a T3 for $250 - but I'm certain that won't be the case. They're (PalmOne) really messin' up. Hope someone down there in a pointy hat is reading about "lifelong" users' frustration and dissatisfaction & taking note.

You're a brave lad, Captain K.
 
good luck with the new HP Sir K! One of my colleagues is after a 4150/55. I halfheartedly tried to talk him into a T3 or wait for the T5 (or whatever the bloody thing will be called) but Ive seen the 4150 in action and I think you may have made a great (if brave) decision to change after what seems to be a 'lifetime' with palm devices... As PTL said, let us know your experiences...we may follow at some stage soon!! Oh, and BTW, make sure you keep checking in at pdastreet otherwise we'll track you down on the PPC boards and bring a trolling to a new level!! LOL.
 
Just for the record, when I said "good luck" in my previous post, I was referring to the process of transferring the data. I hope you enjoy your new iPAQ.

I clicked on the above link, but it seems to be down. I don't know what's up with that.

I wouldn't mind having 256MB. It would be disappointing if the T5 does not have both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth.
 
So they've finally learned their lesson - if this is true?

After Brayder was VILLIFIED and users were threatened with statements like "If you alter your ROM you void your warranty" and then bundling things in Flash we didn't need, NOW they're going to provide it as STOCK? Amazing and hilarious.

Anything to try and put the "bad boy" Brayder out of biz, I guess -- or perhaps Brad's the CONSULTANT ont this??!!

Either way consumers win. This is the BEST THING I'VE HEARD about a new model, dwinget - and a definite reason to "stay interested" on my part. Flash is the greatest thing since sliced bread not only for hard reset protection but also to give you CONTROL over what's "built in" - that was my reason for "Spratting;" not wanting duplicate copies of the same app should I upgrade that app because one was "rigid" in the OS.

The part about USB Connector in lieu of "Universal" Connector is also good news - especially since it's now a recognized "drive" seen by the PC. That was fnagle's big thing about CardExport and now THAT's apparently stock, too. Ehhhhxcelleeennnt.

Tremendous find! Now if it's the landscape view with no slider, I might have to eat some "anti OS6" crow . . . and rush out and buy one!! I'd still like to hear even a RUMOR of what applications will be compatible - if there is any "reverse compatibility" at all with OS5 current applications. Here's hoping and praying . . .
 
Hehehehe - will be checking in every now and then. I've met some very smart and friendly folks on this forum. I would very much want to keep up with you guys on how life progresses in the Palm world. Who know's - I may switch back to Palm PDA's sometime after the T5.
KimH
 
True, but you're going to be amazed at how much worse Pocket Word and Excel are than Docs to Go. :)

Still, I wish you good luck and think that you are probably the first of many. If the OS 6 Palm's don't have wifi and bluetooth, it's over for Palm. With PDA's now only having the single advantage of screen size over smartphones, Palm would have to be nuts not include wireless connectivity. 256 mb of RAM is great but wireless is the way the world is moving. At this point, looking at the Dell Axim X30with a 312 mHz processor, 64 mb of RAM, and both wifi and bluetooth for $251 or the same machine with a 624 mhz processor for $315, how much longer can any of us whistle past the graveyard and say that a T3 at more money and less capability is the thing to buy?:mad:
 
I looked at the Dell Axim and it does have a ton of features but it is an ugly PDA for sure..IMHO..feels like a brick and reminds of the early Windows CE days. Otherwise a good deal for sure.

Hopefully the T5 hoax will send a message to Palmone and give them "subtle" hints to show what consumers are hoping/expecting in the next revision.

Say - does anyone have a cell phone number for one of the higher ups in Palmone so we can serve our piece of mind? Would very much like to interrupt the golf game and raise certain issues ;)

T minus 5 days until I'm not longer a Palm owner....been good many years for me - certainly a mixed bag of emotions.

Anyone remember when the original Palm Pilot shipped? That was my first model.

KimH
 
It's time we got serious as a forum and stopped "whistling by the graveyard" (GREAT ANALOGY JIM!!); if we want to DO something and stop just whining about the results (I know I have) --

there must be a way to copy and paste sections of this forum and CERTIFIED MAIL the comments to someone at Palm.

Does anyone in fact HAVE that information on here? Perhaps we could leave it up to the Mods to handle the text(s) since the format of this site would be "copied" and mailed as a document. That raises certain legal issues if one of us do it, I think. Our own posts are our property, but not the FORMATTING of the PDA Street page itself.

It is CRUCIAL in my estimation that the brightest PDA users around (and they're on here!) get INVOLVED and at least make feelings known.

I don't think this is a case of "We can use Dad's old barn as a stage -- Come on kids . . . let's put on a show" mentality. Collectively we've got a hell of a lot of history and know-how and I don't think "focus groups" at the Westin Hotel eating crackers and cheese and voting on PDAs know what the hell they're talking about.

We do.
 
Hey guys,

I hate to sound so negative but it seems that the demise of Palm is written all over the place. I am shocked at how many people are talking about switching to PPC at the Clie forums. Then this thread!? Wow.

I emailed a software developer who wrote a wi-fi sniffer for PalmOne pdas and asked if he would consider Clie TH55 support. His response was shocking to me. He said that Sony had disabled new registrations for their developer community! WTF!!! So Sony doesn't want new software written for Clie? The conspiracy theorist in me thinks Sony is trying to kill the Palm OS so they can make their rumored switch to PPC with no competition from their installed base of Palm users.

I'm trying to keep positive about Cobalt. But if Cobalt is as restrictive as it sounds and the hardware can't keep up with PPC, I'm afraid market share will drop like a rock.

Like Paul said, Palm needs to hear from the brightest users of their products. Otherwise, the winds of change will blow them away.

ed-
 
I've stopped whistling at graveyards or anything else, and now I'm must plain pissed.

THAT, you handsome Texan, is the SINGLE WORST news ANY of us could have (other than the fact they've predicted a major earthquake for my area on or before September 5th - and this guy has been right 3 times!!).

So "10,000 software developers writing for Palm" is about to go to . . . . 7?? Then they've just killed the only reason MORE people didn't have PPCs - that "Windows" was the evil locked empire that no one could write for except MS!

Here's what I see:
No Hacks.
No DAs.
No new developers.
No upgrades available for CURRENT "older" apps (too difficult except for the "big boys" who are "married" to Palm, like Dataviz)
No WiFi.
No reason for people to develop Landscape View programs.
No Mac Support.

Wow - why don't we all go out tomorrow, bright and early, have a White Mocha Breve at Starbucks, and then buy 213 pairs of PANTS WE HATE, TOO.
 
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