Official Thread: Nokia C6

I think the phone looks great, and a lot of people that don't visit phone forums and stalk each and every model and critique every millimeter of the phone will probably be very happy with it. Nice looking, powerful enough to get the job done for the average Jane/Joe.
Nokia obviously knows what their phones shortcomings are and make a business decision to either change or continue. Probably based on revenue.
 
My argument is a little more subtle than that. Yes, they should use better components. Should they add to the MSRP in order to protect top line? Perhaps increase the costs to intermediaries? Well, we could have a long discussion about it. But that's where the subtlety lies. Think about it. Re-read what I wrote about their business plan (and think about it), their (probable) margin, customer expectations (especially given the current market), supplier expectations and recent general history. Then look at the competition and what is the perceived future of the mobile phone OS, and mobile phone hardware. Thoughts? Think Nokia are in an enviable position against say HTC, Samsung or even LG?



If you subscribe to the theory that they should increase their price point... it still has everything to do with the C6. And the N97. And the N97 mini. And S40. And their future portfolio.

Again, Nokia are in an unenviable position. they are there because of poor decision making, poor execution, and an inability to adapt to market shifts and trends. That's why their phones are becoming low end phones (not where they want to be given their desire to manage their ecosystem).
 
lol @ 434MHz with 128MB of RAM

Really? 434MHz? Why not a gerbil in a spinner instead?

The likes of Google and Apple must be having a good laugh this morning.
 
While I agree this isn't a super high end phone, it's definitely not as bad as you guys are making it to be. Someone that lives in "developing country" with no internet access, and never used email before, ever, will not be spending $300 on a phone. I promise you. The average american won't spend $300 on a phone. In fact, the average american won't spend $200 on a phone. A select few will spend $100. Most want free phones, or heavily discounted phones (buy one droid get one for free), and the other 10% fall into this forum, and will buy anything.

These phones are targeted at the majority, they will be in nokia's flagship stores right next to all their other phones. Sure if the dude in the developing country wants to trade in his cows and get an email address for the 1st time, that will be fine. But for every 1 of these phones that sell that way, 1,000's will sell to the average 9-5 worker that just wants a good phone for a cheap price.
 
I wanna say one thing to you all as a person that is into mobile phones more than a average Jane is: The Nokia C6 is not a bad phone. I personally like it and see potential in it to be a successful product. People are starting to forget that Nokia has a wider and bigger product line than let say Apple has (one high end model with variations). Everyone is expecting every new Nokia phone to be the next great "let's pay 600 ? for it" thing and when Nokia creates cheaper models that are good and can do now days more than before, people starts whining. Please remember that the "developing" nations need phones as well and a good ones too (why should they be happy with basic no feature phones?) -> (That said, I personally don't consider C6 as a developing country model, more as a modern country model). I'm annoyed that some of the high end users expect Nokia to produce models only for them.

Sorry for my rant, but I just wanted to point out that while I do not live in a developing country and I am not a average Jane when it comes to mobile phones (I actually prefer to use and own high end phones), I would like to buy C6 as my next phone (be noted that I own a 5800 xm currently, not a bad phone either). Mid end or high end, I'm happy with both when they include the features I'm looking for in a smartphone. Call me odd if you like.
 
Lets still remember that we are talking about phone that costs 220 compared to iphone that costs about 650.
I can promise you that N8 will have OMAP3, but i wouldn't bet for Snapdragon(and i wouldn't want it either as long as overclocking is possibile with S^3).
 
they were referring to the unfinished firmware that was initially shipped and the extensive amount of time it took to fix the software....

just to be safe, a lil more RAM would've been ideal.....
 
djsphynx, yeah I know its of course quite nuanced and complicated and I did not meant to come accross as a some kind of a know it all (and if one this is sure its this: I am not :D). Just trying to speculate/explain/understand what might be going on. :)

I fully agree that Nokia is an uneviable position (sorry Jonnycat26 for not apologizing for Nokia) for at least a little while longer (i.e. until S^3 is rolling to the higher end, S^4 is rolling and allowing S^3 to move to the mid and lower end, and Meego is rolling for the "mobile computer"/reallly high end. Given this, they have to keep releasing a few more S60v5s (C6 might be the last one) and it would be disastrous for them to put it into anything even remotely high endish anymore.

As far as I can tell/guess, C6 is carefully positioned in terms of price, size/thickness, look, feel so as to not cannibalize the sales of the N97 Mini _too much_ - it inevitably will but this may not matter as much if the first S^3s are out about the same time as the C6. This may well also be _one_ of the reasons why C6 will only get to shops in Q3. In fact, I would not be surprised if C6 has been ready for quite a while now, simply waiting for the release schedule/market conditions/pricing conditions to be right for its release (who knows, this might even explain a part of why it still has the slower processor and less ram than the E5 which may have entered into development and supply and logistics chain management later). If the C6 did have the pumped uped specs we here would of course prefer to see, it would probably cannibalize the sales of the Mini even more.

Another thing with Nokia one has to remember is its truly global nature. Some phones may be sold in some markets for literally years after they have exited the main OECD markets. E.g. only about 18 months ago in Brazil TIM was heavily promoting the N95.. :)
 
and at the risk of beating a dead horse...

didn't a nokia VP recently come out and say that the N97 was a complete failure, and that nokia would never do something like that again? if we have the same spec'ed phones, what would lead anyone to believe that this phone is any different (apart from the form factor) from the N97? I mean, same processor, same amount of ram, same OS etc etc.

a few thoughts:
- maybe they didn't sell as many N97s as they thought they would, so they are reusing components in a new phone.
- the price point is lowering expectations. so, you pay significantly less, and you get crappy performance (what did you expect, you paid 220!)
- if I were a N97 owner, I would be even more pissed today seeing as the phone that cost me 1000 a few months ago is basically now 220.
- I wonder: when this phone will come out (actually hit shelves); and I wonder: how mature a firmware will it come shipped with? Will users expect a firmware upgrade within the first month of usage a la N97?

meh, my E71 is my last nokia phone. I wouldn't trust a nokia now a days.

R
 
The C6 will definitely cannibalize the N97 Mini sales no matter what. I believe Nokia plans to dump the X6, E72, N97 and N97 Mini in the near future with a revised Symbian^3 lineup at their price range and all the legacy Symbian S60 headed to the low end. I don't see nothing wrong with that strategy.
 
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