Obama's health reform

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That's bullshit. Every person is not the same. There are millions of pieces of shit in America that don't deserve to be given the spoils of someone else's hard earned money.

Example. Application for help with a landlord came in yesterday:

Mother, Father, 8 children and 2 grandchildren living in government assisted house. No one has a job. The husband has not even looked in 2-3 years. The kids are all minors, 3 of them have dropped out of school. The babies daddies are not paying anything (of course not, they are probably 16)

This family gets 1250 a month in food stamps. Government assited housing. TANF and a couple other types of asstance. (not remembering what else as we didn't take the case).

The kids destroyed the AC by sticking shit in there and now the woman is upset and won't pay her rent. She want's to know why they wish to evict her.
 
preventative law enforcement might stop crimes, but does it SAVE MONEY? or is it cheaper just to arrest criminals?
 
Yup.

30% is spent in 1 year.
70% is spent in the preceding 20 years (3.5% per year on average)

You still want to keep going with this, or are you ready to just STFU and admit defeat?
 
I'm still holding the view that Preventative Care is where we need to focus to keep our population healthy and bring down health care costs.

I'm not arguing that it's the final answer, as noted, end of life care is a big issue too.
 
The problem is that most people won't take time out of their busy lives to get preventative treatment, they wait until it becomes a problem to them. So in theory the whole "preventative treatment" argument works, but in reality it's basically a non-factor.
 
If you disagree with this, then disprove it. You are just assuming that more care for everyone will save money, but it will not.
 
Preventive Care is where you are going to stop the ridiculous health care expenses we have now.
 
How is preventative health care going to stop someone from getting cancer? There is no "prevention" for it. Even perfectly healthy people who don't drink, smoke, aren't fat, etc, etc, etc get cancer. And that is expensive to treat.

The fact of the mater is that the vast majority of health care dollars are spent on the final years of life, and "preventative care" won't do much, if anything, to change that. All it will do is make people live longer, thus cost more money to keep them healthy while alive, but eventually they will die, and people who now already think that "health care is a right" will demand the same "over the top" health care when you are dying ... if not more people.
 
You have yet to even link to a single site that shows any study where preventative care for 70+ years lowers total spending cost on health care vs not doing it.
 
let's say all health care spending fell on the individual. since you dont want to spend time or money on preventative medicine, what would you, personally, spend that money on?
 
Way to take it to the extreme and bring up cancer as an alternative, lol


Healthy People are less of a burden on the health care system, you create a system that provides incentives to be healthy and make the right life choices, then you can start to get our health care services where they need to be.
 
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