Obama's health reform

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Is it bringing coverage to more people or is it messing up the country? I'm personally glad for it because it keeps me on my parents insurance till my 26th b-day (I'm 21) whether I'm in school or not. And preventive care is also free. No deductible, coinsurance, or co-pay. If you could prevent a major illness from occuring, it could save alot of money and untimately, the cost of health care goes down. That's what happened in Europe, Canada, and Australia, right?
 
I took it to "extreme" because 3 members of my family, all healthy, have died from cancer, and the vast majority of their health care costs came at the last years/months of their lives.

Yes, healthy people are less of a burden on the system, but the reality is, they still get hit by cars, they still get the flu, they still have a whole host of issues no matter what.

Cancer or no, estimates show that about 30% of Medicare's annual $327 billion budget goes to care for patients in their final year of life.
 
Well you have personal experience with cancer, no bueno when you have to deal with that in the family

You can't control the random effects of health, all those you listed we have no control over, but we do have control over Preventative Care, so why not make it a priority?
 
Stoned Angel, this is why we need to restrict voting

Preventive Care for all is more expensive.
 
Why not make the part of life (actually death) that takes the largest portion of the money (as a percentage of life) the priority?
 
What if everyone has to wait till they get sick enough to go to the emergency room to get any treatment? That's a helluva lot more expensive than preventive care.
 
You can't be serious, I suppose I should ask the police how preventative law enforcement will help to stop crimes....
 
Prevention and Wellness
On Friday CBO released a letter that discusses how the agency’s budget estimates reflect potential reductions in federal costs from improvements in health that might result from expanded governmental support for preventive medical care and wellness services.

Preventive medical care includes services such as cancer screening, cholesterol management, and vaccines. In making its estimates of the budgetary effects of expanded governmental support for such care, CBO takes into account any estimated savings to the government that would result from greater use of preventive care as well as the estimated costs of that additional care. Although different types of preventive care have different effects on spending, the evidence suggests that for most preventive services, expanded utilization leads to higher, not lower, medical spending overall.

That result may seem counterintuitive. For example, many observers point to cases in which a simple medical test, if given early enough, can reveal a condition that is treatable at a fraction of the cost of treating that same illness after it has progressed. But when analyzing the effects of preventive care on total spending for health care, it is important to recognize that doctors do not know beforehand which patients are going to develop costly illnesses. To avert one case of acute illness, it is usually necessary to provide preventive care to many patients, most of whom would not have suffered that illness anyway. Judging the overall effect on medical spending requires analysts to calculate not just the savings from the relatively few individuals who would avoid more expensive treatment later, but also the costs of the many who would make greater use of preventive care.

Of course, just because a preventive service adds to total spending does not mean that it is a bad investment. Experts have concluded that a large fraction of preventive care adds to spending but should be deemed “cost-effective,” meaning that it provides clinical benefits that justify those added costs.

Even in cases where the provision of preventive medical care saves money, potential savings from expanded federal support might be limited depending on how frequently that service is currently provided. Many studies of preventive care compare the costs and benefits of a preventive service to the costs and benefits of doing nothing; in practice, a great deal of preventive medicine is already being performed, and many insurance plans already cover certain preventive services at little or no cost to enrollees. So a new government policy to encourage prevention could end up paying for preventive services that many individuals are already receiving—which would add to federal costs but not reduce total future spending on health care.

Wellness services include efforts to encourage healthy eating habits and exercise and to discourage bad habits such as smoking. As with preventive care, CBO’s estimates of the budgetary effects of expanded governmental support for wellness services endeavor to account for any savings that would result from greater use of those services as well as the costs of those services. However, evidence regarding the effect of wellness services on subsequent health spending is limited, and CBO is continuing to evaluate the evidence that does exist.

Designing government policies that are effective at inducing people to be healthier is challenging. Even successful efforts might take many years to bear fruit and could involve significant costs. Moreover, many employers already support some wellness services for their employees, and new government efforts to encourage such services could end up paying for services that some individuals are already receiving—which would add to federal costs but not reduce total future spending on health care. As with preventive medicine, the net budgetary effect of government support for wellness services depends on the balance of two factors—the reduction in government health spending for people who reduce their future use of medical care, and the costs to the government of providing or subsidizing wellness services.

Although some case studies suggest that certain employer wellness programs reduce subsequent medical care, little systematic evidence exists. The findings from case studies may not be applicable to programs that would be implemented more broadly. Because the evidence about such programs continues to evolve, CBO will continue to examine that evidence closely in evaluating specific proposals—the effects of which could depend very importantly in the proposal’s design.

http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=345
 
both options are unrealistic from a financial standpoint. If everyone included paid into the system then there is a chance that either or might work. But with such a large percentage of people that will be covered not paying a dime into the system, it will be too expensive for the paying people to cover.
 
I thought people simply pay higher premium to private insurance companies to get free preventive care. Matter of fact, whether or not they use that service, they still pay about $100 more each month in premiums.
 
people are pieces of meat and have a dollar value. i mean, theyre so easy to create and every person is the same, so preventative medicine isn't worth the trouble.
 
Preventative care seems cheaper in theory.

In theory. but you can't prevent a lot of things. and even with preventative actions, nearly a million people a year die from things like cigarettes and obesity. Preventative care is an act of spending more money to solve some of our smaller problems, and it might not always work.

So after going through all of the checkups, there's maybe 1/10 people who actually need preventative care for something. And of that 10%, maybe preventative care will only work 50% of the time. Do you see where I am going with this example? Of course none of the numbers are accurate, but you have to realize that these treatments would affect a lot of people but only help a small fraction. We can try to prevent a lot of diseases, but we won't get them all. And it will be expensive to give this to everyone.

You talked earlier about an incentive to stay healthy. Well, the best incentive to stay healthy is the lack of healthcare.
 
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