Number of HD Channels?

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maybe bev could simply throw all the french hd ch. on one transponder, that would free up a few :)
 
Somewhat of a 'smoke and mirrors' way of counting. Since for example, any one customer cannot get both TMN HD channels and the MC HD channels.

Also, the MLB HD, NCAA HD, NFL HD and NHL CI HD channels are all shared since they are all only used occasionally with some of the sports not showing anything during the off season. These are merely channel positions, not actual HD channels since they only show the occasional game.
 
Well, they could transmit 720i and the STB could receive 720i, as long as the STB then deinterlaced the signal to 720P (or converted to 1080i), the TV would not "care". Does sound like a typo though.
 
While it's always nice to see what DirectTV is launching for HD as it shows what POTENTIAL content MIGHT be available, until it passes approval for broadcast in Canada, it all just fantasy except for those with US subs or Dish HD FTA units.
In addition, all the drooling is fruitless until Bev addresses the B/W issues expected in coming YEARS.

So go gray or go West (*C) were the great B/W frontier just emerged.
 
It might sound like a typo but it looks like it says 720i to me.

For the record it is ESPN2 on Dish.....

My friendly FTA Customer tells me it is almost always broadcast in this odd format except every weekend a couple of shows are broadcast in 576i, I think he said.
 
The total is 67 HD channels but "full-time" HD channels is aroud 40-45. From the 67, minus 6 HD PPV, 16 HD sports channel + Rogers Sportsnet HD 2 (total 23) and you get 44 "full-time" HD channel.
 
How do you count "part-time" channels? I get the "event ones: NHL Centre Ice swapping out with NFL Sunday Ticket swapping out with PPV etc.

Do you count channels over-compressed such as the 18 HD channels pushed into the bandwidth of 12 HD channels as "full-time"?
 
ARR, what do you mean by 'go west (*C) were the great B/W frontier just emerged", is this regarding starchoice?
 
If I have to spell it out, some might consider it trolling.

Bell has NO space.
*C has gained LOTS of space with their 8PSK deployment and is GROWING.

There, I said it!
 
The point that scrooloose and I were making is that no broadcaster uses 720P. If Dish or BEV were to using it internally, as I discussed in post 39, that would be a different matter, however, ESPN2 would be broadcast (sent) in 720P or 480i and NOT 720i or 576i, since neither are acceptable broadcast formats under NTSC or ATSC. The information on the screen is therefore an error.
 
so when will starchoice (there i said it :)) have more hd channels than bev, thats all i care about, anyways aren't we in canada limited in hd channels by the crtc i certainly can't see them opening up anymore usa channels for a while.
 
Actually, with BEV, they have roughly 15 Mbps bandwidth for most channels. Since the maximum possible bandwidth is 19.4, the ratio is not quite as bad as you make out, especially since many channels only utilize 15-18 Mbps to broadcast. So the ratio is more like 18/15, not 18/12.

The other issue with BEV is that many of the 1080i channels are reformated to 720P, however, both of these issues do not answer the OP's question, which requested the quantity, not quality... ;)
 
And what about the several channels Bev is lacking that have been on *C for some time now?

They may be behind, but have the unique come from behind opportunity to do better channel capacity planning rather than fill their HD plate with lame channels and fluff content and now be faced with ;ittle to no wiggle room.

This is particularly important as many new stations in high demand are emerging, so they are clearly better positioned to take advantage of that.

The basic HD package covers the vast majority of viewers needs.
 
Does ATSC have ANY relevance in a closed circuit satellite system?
As long as the output is sent to the TV in a NTSC/ATSC format the the TV manufactures have agreed to, that's all that counts.

I read that DTV and Dish are telling their customer not to worry about the Digital TV deadlines as they are already there.
In a sense, since the can grab NTSC analog or ATSC digital signals, encode them for THEIR system and them dump them NTSC or ATSC from the STB to the TV.

If looked at he DVB table data in the stream and am amazed at some of the funkly resolutions being broadcast.
Some look like they should be perfectly square and others look well less the 480i.
BUT nobody cares, since the STB magically massages it into something our TV's tell is 480i or 720p, when in fact, the stream data is some perversion of what we expected.

How do you think Cheap Charlie (Ergen) and his gang of bandits made their money and Bell is an eager follower to the bank right along with them.
 
So based on your statement does that mean that when we see Express Vu showing on screen as 720p, that is also wrong and it is really 1080i...?
 
Well, more like the opposite - since they change the format of many 1080i broadcasts to 720P. I'm not sure if the IPG information would be what the original broadcast format is, or if it's what they are supplying...

See: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=17721 for BEV Format Discussions.
 
So Bell could deliver 19.4 mbps x 3 bandwidth (58.2 mbps) but chooses to mush all that into 3 for 2 where about 9.5 mbps is available for each channel or maybe, kinda, if the weather is good, 28.5 mbps total per transponder?

50% of MPEG-2 cable quality still sounds like 50% to me. Imagine reducing your favourite family photos and throwing out 50% of the information. Who goes first? Mom? or Dad?

You are trying to argue that HD-Lite via Bell ExpressVu's 3 for 2 HD sale is ok since most of their channels are already delivered at sub-cable rates? It's ok since "most channels utilize 15-18 Mbps" that Bell crams three of these into 27 mbps?

I'm glad Bell only delivers TV ... imagine if 65% of your paycheque was "good enough". Yikes!
 
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