Nokia shipping dual core processor equiped phones in 2011....?

You never know. Today's high-end is tomorrow's middle-end. It's not inconceivable that a middle-end phone could come out with a 1GHz processor and 512MB RAM running Symbian towards the end of 2011.
 
:D Could be three things: 1) a little extra power never hurts (especially if the cost and battery life impact is right for the phones they are thinking off) 2) the new features coming do require more oomppf 3) perhaps he was talking about Meego instead (not 100% clear).
 
Well the E7 was their 2010 flaghip.. :D Sadly, that never happened. 2011 flagships will hopefully be in the Meego family and perhaps something meaniningful in Symbian towards the end of the year.
 
It could also be that most ARM manufacturers are ramping up their clock rates in the new Chip designs. If Nokia wants anything even remotely new, they probably have no choice but to run 1GHZ Procs.

I'm more interested in the more graphics RAM.

Oh... and FFS, just put more (system) RAM in your products! I know, it really doesn't need it, but its like breasts. We (men) don't need bigger than an A Cup, but man, do we feel comfortable with more.

PS Higher clock rates don't hurt. For the Symbian line, I'd prefer battery life over clockrates (to a degree). If power saving (clocking down) features are superb, sure hit 1GHZ, but if I can't go a full day with moderate usage, then its a pointless mobile device. I'd rather carry around a tablet or laptop if I have to be charging so often.
 
Nokia probably waiting for Intel to release Intel's own dual core mobile processors to compete with ARM.

If 2010 was the year of Qualcomm, I feel that however, 2011 might be the year of nVidia and its Tegra 2.
 
Unlikely. There's a shift towards cheaper laptop and netbook systems and long battery life. nVidia could have a very bad year, especially with the early news that Apple Macbooks will move away from nVidia to integrated Intel solutions and even cheap ATI ones.

FWIW, I still think the whole battle-cry for faster CPUs and dual-cores on phons is (from) moronic, and the Symbian users or sideline commentators, and those clamoring for it are merely size-worshipping, vain, ignoramuses, but that's my opinion.

I'll buy the middle-end, single CPU (with onboard GPU) device that can run Qt-based apps, has a clear (software) upgrade/improvement path and INCREDIBLE battery life over a dual-core 1GHz behemoth any day. I don't perform scientific computing or heavyweight graphics on my cellphone. That's what my laptop and desktop are for.
 
I gotta disagree, Nokia users have every right to complain.


N97, e72/71, and heck even the N8 are underpowered. Take the N8 out of the picture for the moment. The other three phones are unforgivable for not having 256MB of memory. Processor-wise I can live with on them, but the memory is not even close to being enough. I love my e72, but if there wasn't a program like "Handy Taskman" to make it livable I would have sold it already. Then again why should I have to get a 3rd party program when the phone should have had sufficient memory to begin with?



OK I know you were mainly talking about "processing". (in my world memory is just as important)


Anywhoo, let's look at the N8. This is Nokia's current flagship to put up against the big boys, but why does the phone have specs of a Motorola Milestone (minus the camera) when it should be competing with a Desire/Galaxy/ETC?... Sure the N8 runs on a different OS, but you can still feel the lag here and there. Why would you have that on your flagship when the competition doesn't have that issue?



Don't get me wrong I like the N8 and will probably give it a second chance in Feburary, but I can't stop saying enough (and will continue to say) that 2011 is ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL for Nokia. Before this year they were falling behind, and this year they totally flopped. (rebuilding or not)



The bottom line... Do I think that dual-cores (in general on a phone) are overkill? Yes.

I can live with a single higher end processor, but when companies like Motorola claim to have dual-core phones out next year (and 2011 is critical for your company) then you need to "compete" even if your OS is different.

Otherwise cut the (ridiculously high launch) prices, and cut the phrase "flagship" because it is not...
 
Even in disagreeing with me, you are, in fact, agreeing that Noki's hand is merely being forced towards offering dual core systems in keeping with the Joneses.

Memory IS a different issue altogether.

Nokia phones run an OS and native apps on it (with a very efficient, super-powerful Qt widget & UI library available). An overkill CPU (or two cores) are absolutely NOT warranted except to make the spec sheets look nice for the aforementioned ignoramuses and size queens ;)

Android is a Java VM, implying one level of indirection which results in an automatic performance penalty and sluggishness, and FORCES manufacturers to have multiple processors or highly clocked ones. At the expense of battery life (or weight).

If I'm not mistaken, some Apple code is also interpreted, and the A4 processor is no behemoth by any means - it serves MANY purposes (many VERY badly - Bluetooth and radio quality among them). But I haven't delved deeply enough into the iPhone4 architecture to be confident in this analysis - don't quote me!
 
Believe me I know the difference between Symbian's and Android's makeup, but the the N8 still has lag and that's Nokia's baby right now.

Also like I said dual-core is a little excessive, but I'd like to see a Nokia phone (scratch that) a Symbian phone that doesn't feel overwhelmed at times when I start opening up multiple apps...
 
The first one is easy to answer. Coming from a former job in corporate procurement and supply chain management, it's all about the BOM, baby.

Nokia are widely known for managing the bill of materials list on their products. They do it with an eye, and an official acknowledgment, that their margins are razor thin, on top of the fact that their phones currently need eventual price cuts to compete. That's the reality they're facing, without coming off sounding like I'm knocking them again.

As far as 2011, I agree, it's incredibly important to them. The transition years are done; it's about 'show me' now. But I'm already reading the fanboy comments (not on here) that Nokia has all the time in the world to set their ship right, and 2011-2012 is still a transition. IMO, that's delusional.

They have too many resources to completely fold, but 2011 will prove whether their devices business are going to be LG and Acer, an OEM box mover, or a top tier tech company in the ranks of Apple. If Meego doesn't come out strong out of the gate, with guns blazing, Nokia becomes a profitable, but to us, uninteresting box mover. Nobody creates blogs and fan sites for LG, Kyocera or Acer.
 
There was a recent article (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/12/08/nvidia-dual-core-power-saving/1) that Nvidia stated that a dual core can draw up to ~40% less power for the same amount of work. Whether or not this is all hypothetical or functional is to be seen.

However, I doubt that any dual core phone is going to be seen on any Symbian phone. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the OS can answer this but I didn't think Symbian was multi-threaded. However, I think Meego is/will be (I imagine it's a lot easier for Meego) to be multi-threaded and run on a multi-core setup.

I think Symbian phones will continue to run Arm11 CPU w/ GPU offloading. Symbian is supposed to be the new mid/low end with Meego taking up the cutting edge.
 
Umm, I'm pretty sure the Symbian OS is linux based and Multi-threaded. If anything, Android is flawed due to the Java Vm and it's restrictions (or at least the layer of virtualization), and this is reflected int eh pseudo-multitasking on Android (as opposed to always-on MT no Symbian, for years, even on weak phones like my 200MHz ARM 11 monster with 40MB RAM!
 
If you are talking about Milestone Vs Nokia N8, then I will suggest you to check out Gallery performance with loads on photos and videos in it. The big specs fall miserably, while N8 goes real smooth. If you watch out their official statements, then they again and again repeated the statement that Nokia N8 is not their Flagship. It is the camera flagship only like the way N82 been for a while. With the price tag and performance level, Nokia N8 fares like too good. Especially Gallery and Video part is much better than any of so called higher specs.

There are issues with N8 for sure, but none of them is due to lower processor or lower RAM. Symbian and Android is at another levels when it comes to RAM requirements.
 
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