Nokia CES Predictions?

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So it's almost time for CES. Nokia rarely does much at CES aside from simply show up, instead preferring to announce products at other events, but this is "America's" show and Nokia wants to break back into the American market so maybe this year we'll see the company take some baby steps? Predictions?

1. Launch E7
2. Announce X7 in conjunction with AT&T
3. New N8 firmware
4. ZZZ

Any thoughts on what we might expect?
 
1 and 2 are very realistic. I'd like to say that we'd see hints of #3 but CES isn't where they would show that off, not when MWC follows it by a month. Closest thing we might see is a few people on the show floor with N8s running early versions of the new firmware, kinda like what happened in the months leading up to the v20.x.xxx firmware for the N97 last year
 
Set up some booth-style interactive stations with X7s output to big honkin' monitors and speakers, running some intensive games. Seems to me this is how they want to market this phone anyway, so that would be appropriate.
 
1) AT&T X7 and hopefully some content announcement for it.
2) E7 if we are REALLY lucky (theNokiaBlog did have some info that indicated it could be possible as distributors might get it around mid-Jan but I am not yet convinced); if Nokia would be able to announce carrier support for it as well in the US, that would be pretty important;
3) hopefully some more info on the MS Office suite for Symbian
4) perhaps some S40 touch and type thing.. heard of a slider version proto
5) I doubt N8 firmware is ready; heard of a couple of fairly big bugs having surfaced in the testing they are frantically trying to fix; hopefully I am wrong here.
6) most likely nothing or very little on the Meego side.
 
Definitely won't be anything to do with MeeGo unless Nokia cancels the E7 or slashes its price in half. The phones are too similar in terms of physical characteristics and too disparate in terms of specifications. There's no room for the E7 in a N9 world, especially at the price Nokia wants for the E7, which basically suggests to me that we won't see or hear anything about the N9 until the E7 has been out in the market for at least a couple months. The more the E7 is delayed, the more the N9 is by necessity. I would also put the likelihood of a US carrier subsidizing the E7 at around a chance in hell.
 
I don't see them doing much at CES, aside, as some have pointed out above, a booth promoting the X7 on AT&T.

I doubt we'll see the E7 or Meego, mainly because if they do show either, they'll immediately be faced with "Sooooo.....when's it finally coming out?" type questions, both of which are unknown.

MWC, maybe the E7, if it's out by then.

Meego? Honestly, right now I see that as a Holidays 2011/Q3 event, maybe Q1 2012. You know it's way pushed back when the Nokia meme now is, 'it'll be ready when it's ready'. That doesn't sound like any time soon.
 
The X7 is the only real possibility. They've already announced the E7 so there's little left to say there.



I disagree with this because we know Nokia's separation of N and E series devices. They certainly can coexist as they will target different users. However, given the current pricing of the E7 on Amazon I am absolutely frightened of what Nokia thinks the N9 is worth. The N8 hit the market $100 too expensive and the price on the E7 is just insanity. Does Nokia expect the N9 to be priced at $750 or $800?
 
Jimmy_K, I would not be quite that pessimistic on the N9. From what I am hearing its very unlikely to make it to the MWC, but I would still say/hope Q2 2011 as my guess. The only reason I would see delayed as much as you would be if they build it fully on vanilla Meego and if _it (i.e. the vanilla Meego)_ get's delayed that much.

On the E7 price, one would hope the current Amazon price is just an attempt to milk some eager first comers... the over $200 price difference to the N8 won't hold for long once the E7 out in any volume.
 
The E7 is announced (Remember Nokia World?), but it's not launched. It was supposed to be launched mid December but it was delayed for some reason. Some people say a hardware defect, some people say a software defect (How creative, lol!) and some people say that N8 was consuming manufacturing capacity scheduled for the E7 due to high demand.

I think it's very possible that Nokia will launch the E7 shortly. It's already overdue. I'm talking about shipping out the door here.
 
Lots of cool new tech, including dual core phones and tablets, due later this year from the likes of Motorola and others, but it appears that the Finns (along with Meego) are a no-show.

The most surprising parts of CES so far? The aggressive muscling in of LG into the high end of the mobile and tablet market, along with the surprisingly attractive Vizio mobile devices with Android. Vizio may become a serious player in mobile? Who knew?

Also, I want that Motorola Bionic, like, yesterday.
 
actually it's extremely rare for financial numbers to leak ahead of earnings. nobody knows whether they will be good or bad except nokia.
 
Yeah, so at least my prediction of ZZZ was spot on. They're there but they're not present. Quite sad.

I would expect that if they have any interest in the US market they'd at least make an effort to announce something. It doesn't even matter if it's a product like the X7 that I think will fail to gain any traction whatsoever in the US. It doesn't even matter if it's a short press conference to update on the progress of Ovi Store or something like that. Try to get your name in the press for 10 seconds or something. I realize they have nothing to actually offer the US consumer at this point in time in terms of products but at least wave your arms around or something so we know you're there.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if AT&T were to cancel its plans to carry the X7. I don't see where it really fits into their product portfolio unless they give it away for free, and even if they do I don't see where it fits. They have the contest commitment, and the date extension of that is bad news too IMO, but basically Symbian isn't for America and we all know that pretty well.

Insofar as the contest is concerned, I suspect the money would be better spend subsidizing application developers directly. Go to Gameloft and say you'll give them $10M for 20 game ports to be delivered over the next 3 months in the Ovi Store. Go to Amazon and say you'll give them $1M to develop a Kindle reader in Qt for S^3 and MeeGo. American companies aren't making apps for S^3 even when the economics of doing so would make a tremendous amount of sense so get on the phone with them and make them offers they can't refuse.

Same criticism of Intel, by the way, with regards to MeeGo. Total no-show at CES? Really?
 
Yeah, they are there but at a very low level/behind the screnes - apart from the AT&T developer day sounds more about smootching and networking than anything else:

"Nokia will be scattered around the show throughout the week, kicking off with the AT&T Developer summit on Wednesday. Our folks will be in full force meeting with customers and partners and we?ll be doing meet-up?s, hosting dinners, breakfasts, and ?Nokia Night Caps? around town until the event ends on Sunday."
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/01/05/nokia-at-ces-2011/#

As for Gameloft: they've actually ported a lot of games to Symbian/Ovi recently so no need to pay them off at least. :)

Even if X7 is unlikely to make big waves on which I agree, its at least - arguably - the best offering from Nokia to the US market in a long while with a major carrier backing. In particular if it is launched with the PR2.2 improvements already on board or updated to them within 2 months of launch at the latest.
 
Intel was there, but not with Meego. They showed off some movie download service....yeah, because when I think, "Where can I check to see what's good, that's playing on demand for download?" the first thing that springs to mind is 'Intel'. Stick to chips, fellas.

Also, I know they're co-developing Meego, but they've plenty hedged that bet. They're also working having Android and WP7 run on Atom....which is a dead end in itself. Atom on a phone will have a battery life of ten minutes.

In fact, I don't see Intel's (or AMD's) involvement in Meego as any great benefit. They seem just as lost in the new fast-moving mobile world as Microsoft and, dare I say it, Nokia these days.

The fact that Microsoft's Ballmer made a big deal of having their in-development Windows 8 being able to boot and run on ARM architecture, probably has both Intel and AMD sweating.

Here's a question for you guys: if Meego doesn't also make a significant appearance at MWC in about a month, what are the chances it doesn't appear until the end of the year, if not 2012? I do know Nokia will somewhat be there, as Elop is giving the keynote (correct me if I'm wrong), but I think he'll be talking the company up, not necessarily showing new devices.
 
I don't even use Slacker on Android.


Last FM and ANY IR App that lets me enter in stations manually suits me just fine. :)



Sure the news is positive/promising, but I'm guessing that many would have rather heard Portrait Swype news IMO... :mod:
 
Intel's MeeGo focus is on the tablet side of things and the Atom is fully tablet-ready at this point in time in terms of its power consumption and performance characteristics. They should have been showing off MeeGo tablets with the latest software builds on them. It's MeeGo that's not ready for the consumer and that's a huge problem for Intel. The hardware's pretty good to go and we saw lots of Atom-powered portable devices at CES.

Atom is also absolutely not a dead end. Intel and AMD are converging on ARM's turf from the "big brute" end of the CPU performance spectrum whereas ARM is converging on Intel and AMD's turf from the "light and nimble" end of the CPU performance spectrum. If you don't believe that Intel has legitimate mobile aspirations, you're wrong. They are a completely vertically integrated designer and manufacturer of total computing hardware platforms and a world leader in manufacturing process technology. And if it becomes a bloody fight, Intel can compete on price whereas licensees and integrators of various IP products from various sources cannot.

Windows for ARM isn't designed to open the door to ARM-powered desktop computers, or necessarily even ARM-powered laptops. No ARM core can compete with a real Intel CPU in the slightest. It's strictly for tablets and to a lesser extent for netbooks, and basically I think Intel is pretty well set up in this area. Suffice it to say that no vendors of these products will reject a phone call from Intel. In fact, as I already pointed out above, we saw quite a bit of Intel Atom-powered hardware at CES.

Smartphones... Well Intel still has work but they are very close. It's going to happen this year.
 
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