No more talks of Symbian^4 as Symbian will be upgradable

I had an N82, N95-3, N95-4 and N97. I KNOW Symbian..But I' ll play........Okay I am imagining a really really fast N97 with a bigger screen no portrait QWERTY ....and marginal browser..... Nah...Still can't compare Symbian to Android

You see That is and has been the problem with Nokia N series releases for me......... "It will only get better" That should be their tagline...

"it will only get better" ......sometimes it takes 18 months but yeah the N8 is better than the N97.....but IMO and from what I have read it is nothing more than a "better" N97....and that did not take much effort on thier part and it still has major ommisions.

Now the Samsung will get better to..or you can just "burn" it into submission and not "wait" for the manufacturer to make it better.
 
Here is what I've come to understand...

We know that he Symbian Foundation was substantially responsible for providing SDK/Tools/documentation for Symbian development, setting feature milestones and release dates, etc.

With no more members aside from Nokia, the foundation is redundant. Moreso, it has arguably mismanaged the product that it delivered and the timelines on which it delivered. The Foundation was a noble idea but with Nokia producing most of its assets and reserving the key product-differentiating assets (services and applications) it developed for Nokia products only while other partners simply sat and waited for software to be delivered, it never really had legs to stand on. Nobody but Nokia really contributed anything to the product over the last couple years and as a result, the product really didn't have anything to offer for other partners.

The more I look at it, the more I think Stephen Elop is doing some very wise work.

The total internal transition to Qt means that Symbian Foundation's tools and documentation are useless. The existing SDK is still out there and it will enable support and development for Symbian^1 devices, which I think will continue to be sold to emerging markets for perhaps a couple more years while some of the more costly parts necessary for delivering Symbian^3 (e.g. RAM, GPU, flash memory) come down in cost to the point that devices are cheap enough to manufacture with Symbian^3 for emerging markets.

Nokia's election to forgo the milestone delivery model and instead deliver software as it becomes available means that Symbian Foundation is no longer needed to set release dates or milestones. Nokia will keep doing all of the work that it was already doing for Symbian^4, it will keep working on its services and software and it will keep delivering them. Hopefully, without the Foundation, it will do so faster than before as well. This is the only part where Stephen Elop has to really step on some toes - jack up the pace.

Basically, as a couple others have speculated, this isn't the end of Symbian. If you believe that, you don't understand. Rather, it's Nokia taking its assets back and exerting control over their development instead of letting some supposedly-neutral third party set the goals and "own" the proceeds while Nokia does the legwork.
 
This also sounds like the pull outs by the other companies have hurt the Foundation, so if Nokia doesn't back it the Foundation is dead.

So if you were Nokia, would you continue to fund the foundation that has its own roap-map that includes a major revision of the OS and UI that would maybe produce products by maybe 2H-2011?

Nokia could certainly kill off Symbian, but what are they left with until MeeGo comes around. Even if MeeGo does come around, is their strategy really to go with one high-end platform. I really doubt MeeGo could run decently on lower hardware. This would basically kill off Nokia.

They could go Android, but like we're all saying, then what is the differentiator? It certainly isn't services. So they now become just another handset manufacturer?

If Nokia is serious about keeping Symbian, maybe kill off S40/S60 and whatever flavor OSes in developed countries, adapt Symbian UI to be more flexible (hopefully deliverable through Qt) and User Friendly and focus on fewer series (why do we need E series? Especially with the new C devices). Maybe C and N. I'm not even sure what the point of the X series or the number series is.

Possibly market high-end N devices that can dual boot Symbian/MeeGo. That would be interesting.... you know assuming Qt can unify the platforms.

I think Elop needs to prove he's committed to developing Nokia's platforms and ideologies (Connecting People, not just folks that can afford the latest and greatest), actually be a "visionary" leader, and, again, not turning around becoming just another handset manufacturer or selling off Nokia to please all the rich a-holes that just care about the stock price.
 
No its not (other than the name and Orbit ditched). Its just put out in pieces so we may actually see pieces of it earlier than we would have otherwise - in theory at least. :P
 
Your reading comprehension is absolutely astounding. I never said you were not satisfied and I spoke only about GPS performance only in comparing the Captivate and N97 mini. Are you that obtuse?

And you have been on ignore. Unfortunately everyone quotes you so I can't help but see your inane posts. Even on ignore the forum puts up a huge yellow block that says you've posted.
 
I may be wrong but I don't think they have stated they would not develop the OS at all going forward. What they have said, AFAIK, that they will bring some of the S^4 planned features to S^3 and focus on that in the coming months. That does not, necessarily, exclude the possibility of implementing some of the OS level plans also, right?

Again, I know precious little about OSs/UI architecture etc. so I may indeed well be wrong. :)
 
@T Bong You're not perpetually satisfied with your purchases because you did research, you just accept whatever limitations and then defend them blindly.

Right there you claim I am NOT satisfied....and futher add the ridicule of using the word BLINDLY when I did three months of research before deciding I COULD and WOULD be satisfied with the Captivate....
Makes complete sense...LOL
Now lets get to your next claim and I quote

I've seen bloggers compare the Captivate GPS to the E72 and N97 mini and the Nokia drastically outperform it.
Again I want to see those bloggers becasue I had BOTH an N97 and Captivate and KNOWING beforehand the "issues" with the GPS IThe first thing I did was compare the two.SIDE BY SIDE...........I was satisfied the N97 Was not as good or better in that regard. By my OWN experience...not that of others. I don't go by bloggers when I have the devices myself. The GPS issue is overblown and exxagerated. Read XDA and the hundreads of people who are NOT giving up their phones becasuse of the GPS issue vs those who are...Its quite enlightening. Again research is your friend.....You only know what you are hearing on the fringes not after an immersive research inot the device.


BTW if I IGNORE someone I IGNORE them regardless of their posts......Either you ignore meaning pretend they don't exist....or don't there is no middle ground
 
Wow never knew symbian foundation were having money problems, hell i will now be surprised if nokia actually delivers on its promise to upgrade S^3 with some of s^4's features
 
Inept, +1. The only thing I would add (besides the comment that I think indications are that many of these things were started even before Elop joined), based on what Savander said on CNet Asia today, is that SF might continue in some "light" form. Even if doesn't, Symbian would continue to be open source.


"Samsung and Sony Ericsson have both backed out of the Symbian Foundation, leaving Nokia and Fujitsu as the key phone-makers on the foundation's board. Does Nokia have any plans to bring Symbian in-house?
I don't see any reason for that. What would be the benefit of doing that? We have made it open source, so it's, of course, up to the different users whether they want to use it. The whole notion behind the open-source community is that people can choose to leave or not to leave. We have quite a few Japanese vendors that are pushing Symbian products. The Symbian Foundation will exist as an open source movement and we will use it. Other people are welcome to use it if they want to. If they don't, that's not going to change things. That's how open source works. "

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/mobilephones/0,39050603,62204005,00.htm

Assuming this is the final truth, perhaps at least Nokia and some Japanese vendors keep providing a bit of funding for it to stay open. :)

Some good analysis (ya ya I know, AAS cannot be trusted on anything) here as well:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/12223_The_future_of_the_Symbian_plat.php
 
I own both a Nokia n8 and a Samsung captivate. I can say for sure the GPS on the captivate is broken. It take for forever to lock on to a signal but my Nokia n8 locks on within seconds.
 
Let me reword for your low comprehension level: You're perpetually satisfied, not because of your research, but because you blindly accept and defend device limitations.

And read again, I never said anything about the N97. The devices used were the E72 and N97 mini. And the N97 did perform well if you took advantage of Nokia offering to fix the problem. I've had personal experience with the E71/E72/N97mini and all get GPS locks in seconds while the Captivate struggles. The Captivate performance is well documented and even affirmed by your own experience. Just admit it has a problem.

http://www.trentsense.com/2010/09/gps-performance-on-e72.html
 
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