NIN aren't very good on the whole

downward spiral by NIN is alone a master piece. I think their pretty bad ass, and deserve their prestige. but i admit some of their stuff has faded a little, none the less i think Trent is awesome, he did **** no one ever had before
 
Well... you didn't read my post. I started by saying, "even though I agree that few people will end up liking Tool much". That is to say, even if they do give them a fair listen, most'll probably end up not liking them too much because of other reasons stated.

My point was largely incidental; it was not related to the argument. And it is simply that most of those who attack Tool (and ANY OTHER BAND, for that matter) have generally never given that band's whole discography a fair go. It makes sense, as there is only so much time available to each individual, but nevertheless, it is true. And that goes for whether or not they'd ultimately end up liking the band, had they bothered; that much, there's no way of telling.
 
I think th reason most people here who are not too into NIN is because you view them (actually its really just a him...Trent Reznor) as a metal/industrial fusion. But honestly you need to be more of a pure Industrial fan to appreciate them the most. Same thing with Front Line Asserably......their Millenium album saw infusions of some classic metal riRAB from the likes of Pantera. But the thing is, outside of this album, they rarely use guitars....they came from hardcore industrial routes, and thats where they still remain.

I think Trent Reznor is a talented musician, but I understand why his music is not for everyone (and same goes for Tool.)

Brian
 
I still stick by NIN being an on-the-whole pretty mediocre act. I am not impressed at all by the new batch of releases, whether Year Zero, Ghosts I-IV or The Slip. Just why is Reznor such a cult act? What could the fascination, as far as the music goes, possibly be?

My view is that it has little to do with the actual music, and more to do with personality and the message. This is what people fall for. You often find that those obsessed with NIN are of a certain sub-cultural class within society, and this is no coincidence at all. The appeal seems to go beyond the music itself.

...not that that is particularly unusual. It seems quite common these days for certain groups within society to listen to a certain type of music not really for the music itself, but because it is associated with the latest trenRAB within party culture or whatever. The best recent example I've seen in my city is that of minimal techno. I've actually heard people saying things like "the music, well, it's not all that - but it's not really about the music - it's all about the after parties".
 
Whether they have the time or not, its ridiculous to make someone listen to a banRAB entire discography if they don't like what they've heard just to satisfy a tool fan. Then again it probably won't satisfy them they'll bust out the "you just don't get it" argument.
 
I disagree, in fact I believe spirituality ruins lives. I could not imagine being half of who I am if I decided to be spiritual. However, I do spend a lot of time alone and I typically spend it listening to music or thinking about politics or religion. Neither have anything to do with spirituality but more to do with exercising the brain.
 
fixed.

NIN is good. definitely not the best out there. but for what's worth they're pretty good. Their latest album With teeth is one of their best. As for individual songs, Closer is still their best ever.
 
Don't get me wrong, i think NIN have been one of the most amazing acts of the last 20 years, i just don't follow their most recent direction that's all.. Songs just sound a bit oversimplified to me..
 
Well I agree, of course it would be unfair to apply that criteria for Tool specifically. I'm suggesting that the principle holRAB for all banRAB. I think it's unfair to form a negative opinion of any band at all without having listened to at least 70% or so of their material attentively. Otherwise how can one truly know? (It'd be pretty lame for instance to reject Tool based simply on listening to the Opiate EP or even Undertow, while they ended up so markedly different down the line)

And yeah, I think that a huge amount of incidents of banRAB being rejected tenRAB to happen either through a negative approach from the onset, or just not bothering to really get to know them. Of course, as said before, that's not to say that the end result would be any different. And a "you just don't get it" response is pretty lame, as you say.
 
I think the latest album YEAR ZERO is very good. For some strange reason TOOL have completely bypassed me, I don't think i have consciously ever heard a track!

A band like NIN seem to divide opinion, but MINISTRY who were around just a little earlier seem to be immune from criticism. Maybe it's because NIN have had good commercial success and Reznor is poster friendly? I'm not saying this is the only reason, but when a modicum of success is achieved, it is easier to shoot them down.

Of course, you may genuinely not like their music, but MINISTRY are similar and have made just as many duff tracks, yet are not discussed. A link with MINISTRY may seem a tenuous link, but I believe that commercial success is both a blessing and curse.

I think NIN are an influential band, and have never sold out.
 
This post is the single worst thing that has ever existed in the world, and the solar system, and this galaxy.........and yeah, the universe.

Their new stuff, I'm kind of getting used to, but their music has never appealed to me right off the bat. It always grows on me, especially The Downward Spiral.
 
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