some agnostic person
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Never down shift to first, you will lock th rear wheel. once out of first dont use it again unless your are planning on coming to a complete stop.
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new rider, ate asphalt, poor bike. 1098s suggestions why?
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You rode a v-twin and popped the clutch shifting into first entering into a turn... classic clueless-ness! Saddest part is that beautiful Ducati got fucked up. I'm sorry you learned a basic lesson the hard way and got hurt, but sometimes people learn lessons the hard way, people like you.
Heal quickly!
Re-read this one again, Harts on point with this statement... Don't go getting butt-hurt on us either. We're only telling you this because we care... No rider every wants to see another rider go down, even if they're a squid.
You rode a v-twin and popped the clutch shifting into first entering into a turn... classic clueless-ness! Saddest part is that beautiful Ducati got fucked up. I'm sorry you learned a basic lesson the hard way and got hurt, but sometimes people learn lessons the hard way, people like you.
Heal quickly!
Re-read this one again, Harts on point with this statement... Don't go getting butt-hurt on us either. We're only telling you this because we care... No rider every wants to see another rider go down, even if they're a squid.
rrwilliams64
New member
Even those who know how to ride get hurt on these machines.
This was a typical: I put too much torque on the rear wheel, broke it off the pavement, and crashed.
Life lessons suck, but you have to learn somehow. Sadly, many don't get second learning experiences.
This was a typical: I put too much torque on the rear wheel, broke it off the pavement, and crashed.
Life lessons suck, but you have to learn somehow. Sadly, many don't get second learning experiences.
Mr.Wise Guy
New member
Training video for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWrCkC-klaE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWrCkC-klaE
Good luck to you OP, as stated if you got the funds get a beater bike a much weaker one at that to learn on. I don't mean to sound like an azz and don't mean any disrespect by what I'm about to say but here it goes.....................if you really want to honor your brother's memory learn from him don't make the same mistake.
As far as proper technique for down shifting learn how to do it smoothly and slowly first once you get to the point that you can downshift and not feel any change in the bike's attitude then GRADUALLY start to increase the speed of doing it (while trying to maintain the same feel). Start by down shifting lower in the RPM range say 6 grand and slowly work your way up higher in the RPM band. The higher the RPM and higher the speed the more finesse you need when letting the clutch out. When I help new people learn how to ride I put a lot of emphasis on being smooth with the clutch and associate to trying to walk an aggressive dog. The harder you jerk at his leash the more agressive he will try to get at what ever caught his attention; the smoother you are the calmer the calmer he will react. To me the clutch is just the leash for another type of beast you have to control it you can't let it control you.
Once you can get that down then start working on blipping the throttle.
True riding skill takes time and continues to evolve. Most people become confident way before they actually become competent.
As far as proper technique for down shifting learn how to do it smoothly and slowly first once you get to the point that you can downshift and not feel any change in the bike's attitude then GRADUALLY start to increase the speed of doing it (while trying to maintain the same feel). Start by down shifting lower in the RPM range say 6 grand and slowly work your way up higher in the RPM band. The higher the RPM and higher the speed the more finesse you need when letting the clutch out. When I help new people learn how to ride I put a lot of emphasis on being smooth with the clutch and associate to trying to walk an aggressive dog. The harder you jerk at his leash the more agressive he will try to get at what ever caught his attention; the smoother you are the calmer the calmer he will react. To me the clutch is just the leash for another type of beast you have to control it you can't let it control you.
Once you can get that down then start working on blipping the throttle.
True riding skill takes time and continues to evolve. Most people become confident way before they actually become competent.
mephistopheles
New member
Yea, I destroyed my metacarpal in my left hand pointer finger from a simple mistake on the track. I'll be paying for it the rest of my life.
sosurprized1
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Speaking of... How are you doing, Tye? I heard about your off a few days ago. I got there just a few hours after accident apparently on Friday night.
Hope you're doing alright and that the bike is ok. You said the bike made it out pretty well, but the metacarpal is a tough one. I broke my 5th (the pinky) when I was 13 and had to have a metal pin put in it so it would heal correctly and I will always have limited mobility in that finger on my left hand. Affects me much more that one would think.
Hope you're doing alright and that the bike is ok. You said the bike made it out pretty well, but the metacarpal is a tough one. I broke my 5th (the pinky) when I was 13 and had to have a metal pin put in it so it would heal correctly and I will always have limited mobility in that finger on my left hand. Affects me much more that one would think.
Guy in©ogn!to
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I HAD LMAO ATTACK THERE STIMI -THANKS
IceCream899
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I hope you take this the right way:
A motorcycle is WAY more difficult to operate than a car.
A motorcycle introduces 2 dimensions that cars do not get affected much by:
Pitch (forward & backward as in wheelies and stoppies) and Yaw (leaning from left to right as in knee down left and right)
The fact that motorcycles have a much bigger variable in potential pitch & yaw positions complicates the operation to a MUCH higher degree than a car.
For example: drifitng a car is a piece of cake when you compare it to drifitng a motorcycle. I aced mandatory drift car training 6 years ago (Expressway Patrol requirement), but still cant drift a motorcycle without a HUGE empty space and holding the front brake.
I use 1st gear to slow down all the time on the 1098 when the oncoming bend is tight enough. There is even a place in Malaysia called Frasier's Hill, that had me in 1st on the R1 for 30 minutes!
Please stop blaming the bike. You need to do a Ben Spies and forget what you think is right and start fresh when it comes to Superbikes - they're chalk and cheese.
Bikers can always drive the hell out of cars (cos it simpler and safer!) but drivers who THINK they can ride bikes are in for a big suprise.
Eg:
Michael Schumacher (Arguably the greatest F1 driver of all time) - laps about 3 seconds off the satellite Ducati on the factory Ducati.
Valentino Rossi (Arguably the greatest Mo'or Sickle rider of all time) - laps under 1 second off the lap record in a comparable F1 car.
A motorcycle is WAY more difficult to operate than a car.
A motorcycle introduces 2 dimensions that cars do not get affected much by:
Pitch (forward & backward as in wheelies and stoppies) and Yaw (leaning from left to right as in knee down left and right)
The fact that motorcycles have a much bigger variable in potential pitch & yaw positions complicates the operation to a MUCH higher degree than a car.
For example: drifitng a car is a piece of cake when you compare it to drifitng a motorcycle. I aced mandatory drift car training 6 years ago (Expressway Patrol requirement), but still cant drift a motorcycle without a HUGE empty space and holding the front brake.
I use 1st gear to slow down all the time on the 1098 when the oncoming bend is tight enough. There is even a place in Malaysia called Frasier's Hill, that had me in 1st on the R1 for 30 minutes!
Please stop blaming the bike. You need to do a Ben Spies and forget what you think is right and start fresh when it comes to Superbikes - they're chalk and cheese.
Bikers can always drive the hell out of cars (cos it simpler and safer!) but drivers who THINK they can ride bikes are in for a big suprise.
Eg:
Michael Schumacher (Arguably the greatest F1 driver of all time) - laps about 3 seconds off the satellite Ducati on the factory Ducati.
Valentino Rossi (Arguably the greatest Mo'or Sickle rider of all time) - laps under 1 second off the lap record in a comparable F1 car.
ApacheJack
New member
Yeah, I didn't quite understand the post a while back about only using 1st gear to come to a stop.
Try riding the twisties around Nan province in Northern Thailand. 2nd gear blind corners that turn into an sharp inclines halfway through. 2nd gear won't get you up those.
Try riding the twisties around Nan province in Northern Thailand. 2nd gear blind corners that turn into an sharp inclines halfway through. 2nd gear won't get you up those.