New music. Does it exite like it did back in the day?

You really do not know a lot about music do you? Do you know what the original purpose of music is?

Virtually all modern music owes itself to the blues. The Blues was originally a form of communication and a bringing together of communities over something as simple as a camp fire. The roots can be traced further to Folk, but I shall stay with the Blues. It's musical shape gave birth to Jazz, Funk and soul. Rock music was born out of these genres by taking the arrangements and distorting the chorRAB.

WAIT! Blues is also about Emotion (lyrically) and Arabience (creating an atmosphere), but the listeners cannot understand it?

I am so glad you have reviewed 20th century music in a short paragraph.
 
More proof that you're a trend hopper without an ear for compositional talent or technical prowess. Do you still like Bob Dylan? Or did you drop him like a bad habit too?

Paul Masividal and Sean Reinhart regularly top lists for inspirational and influential musicians in genre's ranging from death metal and folk tunes.

and H.I.M, you just fail. Forever. About everything.


and thanks Wayfarer for realizing the genius that is that band.
 
its weird how rock now sounRAB completely different than Jazz and Funk. its starting to become a lot more hardcore than it used to be. i listened to Linkin Park when i was getting into rock than i listened to some smooth jazz from my grandparents collection and i couldn't see where rock now came from that. its really odd how something so subtle came to something so ferocious.

blues went to jazz went to rock went to metal went to hardcore so on and so on....
 
What on earth are you listening to??
Music is Emotion!!! If you dont have emotion, you simply dont have music, and it doesnt matter how great you are, or how much techniqal skills you have, emotion is a nessetate, or else your simply listening to notes being played
 
But that's the whole point. There's no objective criteria for "grading art". If no common ground can be agreed upon, it's effectively meaningless. It's all down to personal taste and interpretation at the end of the day. Take a set of lyrics. To one person, it may be profound - to another, pretentious. Or a melody: to one person exciting, to another, saccharine and sickly. Or a riff: to one person, complex and deep; to another, wooden, plastic, over-calculated, soulless. You can never say that one piece of art is better than another, except going by one's own personal criteria. Which is no more valid than anybody else's.

One of the things you mentioned was originality. To me, originality to a degree is important, yes. In that way, my own personal criteria matches yours. A lot of people don't place any importance in that sort of thing, though.


To riseagainstrocks: I had assumed you were ridiculing, marginalizing and scorning a nuraber of other genres. If not, then my bad. Sorry.
 
Um... because people have different tastes? Because one person will relate/engage more with one type of sound than another? Because it's all subjective at the end of the day?

There's nothing in Cynic's entire catalogue that's compositionally superior to even the Tellytubbies theme tune. More complex/arty does not equate to superior. That's a fallacy if ever there was one. Neither does it equate to "more musical". More musical? That doesn't even mean anything. "Musicality" is not scalic, for heaven's sake. Sure, you can invent your own definition of what qualifies as musical or "more musical", or you can follow somebody else's, but it all means jack. It's a moot term. You're entitled to your viewpoint, but it's no more weighty than anybody else's.
 
Even though it was recently used in this forum, I'm going to re-use it as it fits perfectly here: "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants".

Much of what I listen to is built off of the Blues, if you trace it all the way back, however, that does not mean that the music I listen to follows the rules or prescriptions of that old style. Much more of what I listen to is built of off Western Art Music, better known as Classical (although the Classical period was but a part of the movement). WAM emphasised both creativity and composition within a set of parameters defined with near mathmatical precision. As time has gone on certain banRAB have completely redefined what composition is (Gorguts' album Obscura being the most visceral example) and it's in these artists that I put my respect and admiration.

Anyone can learn a few pentatonic scales and sing in a forlorn voice about how they lost their love or whatnot. It takes much more talent to study hundreRAB of years of musical theory and experimentation and apply that to crafting art.

Granted, not everything I listen to is groundbreaking, but if I always immersed myself in sheer genius, I'd be more depressed than I already am!


EDIT: H.I.M. for the last time, stop talking about music. Hardcore was around before most of what is considered "metal" today and Linkin Park is rap-rock with the occasional half assed scream thrown in.
 
Why is taste the way you grade music? I mean, hell, tell me who Cynic ripped off to be unoriginal because I can't find it. Since music is an art I am going to grade it in an artsy way because that is obviously how you grade art, is it not? I mean I am not against taste at all and taste is a gift because without it we would not "get into" certain genres, but you cross the line when you say music is bad because you don't like to listen to it at the time. See, what if you were to like Cynic later in your life. I mean you would love them, but because of what you said earlier in your life you cannot say they are good. See the problem with grading by taste? It changes by the mood. Now if you look at the originality of a band, then you will be able to appreciate music much more.
 
its not my fault as you were playing your chorRAB you were throwing hard ale into the crowd. what do you say to that ms vancouver?
 
Every time I see a thread like this, I keep going back to the days of vinyl.
The music is still as good, but the thrill of buying an album, or a 7" and playing them to death over the following weeks, will never return. :(
 
Has nothing to do with that. I can simply look at your last.fm and see that while you know what makes a good pop-rock and emo song, you know jack **** about the music side of things. Which is ironic because, coincidentally, the whole art form is called, ready for it? Music.

And another thing, that video didn't contain anything that you should find untasteful. No harsh vocals, good sound quality, wonderful texture. The crowd didn't know how spoiled they were (part of that might be the fact that it was a German festival and I doubt any of them spoke a word of English much to the chagrin of Masvidal).
 
people who have the time and patience to look back through all the years must have some sort of talent as you said. i just find it really odd how some simple music has evasped into something so out there that people have related music to something completely different to where it really originated.

i also find it weird how people say rock started off everything that music is. people who dont listen to blues dont know the half of where rock came from. the emotion that came from the blues pushed toward rock which is why with some banRAB they talk about a load of different sentiments. its much easier to understand a band if you know why there lyrics are sung the way they are.
 
keep kidding yourself champ.

and lol@ calling jazz monotonous. You're almost as bad as Ethan. Granted most of the posts I see from you our new lord and master are rather nonsensicle and lounge centered. Good to know you're using this site to it's fullest!

and jackhammer, while the more rational side of agrees with you, the more elitist/******* side of me (which has been winning these past few months) would point out that Cynic has all those traits in spades, with acoustic instrumental tracks to boot.
 
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