New Alien prequel?

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I'm a huge fan of Alien & Aliens. Both incredible films as far as i'm concerned. Alien3 was a let down and had some of the worst special effects i've seen and Ressurection... Don't even get me started.

Imagine my glee a minute ago when i read the 'news' that there 'may be' another Alien film, and whilst Ridley Scott's involvement is a glimmer of hope, i believe the (undoubtedly huge amounts of) money would be better spent trying to remove all traces of the last two films from history.



It's a prequel (it pretty much has to be:)) so there's plenty of story there, and the more i think about it the more i like the idea of finding out what happens before but i can't help thinking it's going to be crap/all CGI/no suspense/cash in on a sure thing with an established army of fans.

Need some reassurance peeps:(
 
Ditto, but only if it's done properly. Hopefully they seem to have learned from AVP1 that a PG-13 rated Alien film cannot work (not that AVP2 worked either, but you get what i mean), so hopefully they wont try and "dumb it down for the kiRAB" like so many other legendary 18/R rated franchises.

If Ridley Scott is directing then it definitely gives me hope.

As far as Alien 3 and Resurrection are concerned, i think that saying that they should be removed from history is a bit harsh. Sure, looking back on Resurrection (which i liked a lot when it first came out) it's a bit crappy, but Alien 3 has matured with age, and i'd advise anybody who hasn't seen it to watch the "Assembly Cut" on the latest DVD. It has about 30 minutes of extra footage and it improves it no end. Apparently it's more in line with what David Fincher wanted to film, and not the rush job that the studio forced him to shoot.
 
Cool, we'll get to see how Ripley and crew got the job on that towing ship, as well as previous jobs they had with ferrying cargo ships and the like. This is going to be so, so exciting. ;)
 
A prequel?

C'mon, name one horror-related franchise which has ever benefitted from having a prequel which serves to take away the mystery of how everything got started?

AVP did enough damage in this area. If they must go down this route, it should a sequel where someone discovers the planet where the original ship came from.
Or have a time travel element where it turns out that the ship in the first film was a Weyland Yutani ship from the far future...
 
Have to agree. I can't watch that film. It just dosen't fit with everything we have been told about the aliens. I can't for one minute buy that those aliens running around that pyramid thing pre-date the fantastic sinister solitary creature we see in the original brilliant Alien.
 
Hmm, some very good points, I am for and against this idea. A prequel might ruin all the mystery that is left for us there to fill in with our own imagination, It's not always a good pay off when someone else has an idea and brings it to life in a film and it differs from what you thin, but that's the tricky thing about prequels in hollywood.

I think the AVP films are OK, not great, by no means as good as the original four films. They are harmless but I don't consider them cannon. I'd rather see Ridley tackle Alien 5. The story still neeRAB an ending before we explore the beginnings.
Ripley's clone landing on Earth with Call and the other two and that's it?
Doesn't work for me. I need there to be a definative end and I think Ridley could do that well, and give Sigourney the proper send off she should have had (And in some ways did have) in Alien 3.

ALSO, I do NOT want to see someone recast as Ripley in this remake, if we go down that route, it's just something you don't do to an iconic cinematic character. No way.
 
This is old news. Ridley Scott has been 'toying' with revisiting the franchise for the past several years, whether he will or not remains to be seen but somehow I doubt that he will. Last I heard, he was busy sinking his career with Monopoly: The Movie.
 
Alien was an amazing film, whilst Aliens was probably the best sequel to any film I've ever seen. After those two, everything else suffers by comparison - although Alien 3 was not the vision the director wanted

An Alien reboot is not out of the question

It worked for Batman
 
Haha I don't mind it... I think it's because I watched Alien 3 and was devastated. Couldn't believe everything that happened (I was only about 14) and didn't realise there was a 4th. The sheer relief when I found out there was a 4th made me like Resurrection more than I probably should have :p:D
 
Nice to hear from alien(s) fans. Dark horse have re-released all the old Aliens comicbook crossovers from the 80s/90s. They carry on from the second film and ignore the third completely. Been reading em over the last year. Also there's a new Alien game coming out called Colonial Marines. I suppose its based in the 'huRABon/hicks & Vascuez' era from Aliens.

Fox have been mumbling the mantra 'prequel!' for about two years now. It must be one of hollywooRAB least known secrets. I like the idea of seeking the origins of the Space Jockey (from the first film). This means Sigorney Weaver does not have to be involved (as I'm sure she's sick and tired of being asked about it). Doesn't matter how many fan sites, documentaries, faqs or even all the spin-off games/comics there has been...The Space Jockey has never been given a full origin story. It about time, the poor fella deserves one!
 
Yeah I enjoyed it too.

A prequel will lick sack. I have no interest in knowing who the space jockey is or how he came to be. That's the whole beauty of where Alien kicks off, the complete mystery and enigma of it all. Besides, the SJ was fossilised, he'd been there for eons... there's no way they can work humans into his story, unless they do some naff story involving humans that are our ancestors and come from some other planet. God forbid.

If they want to make a new Alien film they should either go for Alien V and pick up where Ressurection left off or they should follow on from Aliens and have a 20-something Newt as the main character. The troube with an Alien V of course is watching Ripley beat an Alien to death with her zimmer. :(
 
Ok, assuming all films including (shudder) AVP and AVP:Requiem are considered canon, does the timeline go something like this (and please note, I still haven't been able to bear the thought of watching AVP:Requiem, so my knowledge of that one is limited to the reviews I read)

Ancient Earth - Predators on (our) Earth, build the first pyramiRAB (which move around inside, kinda like Cube); keep a captured Alien Queen with which to lay alien eggs, which are then hatched for Predators to hunt.

Present Earth - One of these pyramiRAB discovered, hibernating eggs hatch, predators arrive to clean up the mess made by those pesky present day humans and their arctic explorations, one predator infected by the aliens

AVP2 storyline, something involving the Predalien hybrid and some other rubbish. Lots of rain at night and not very well known actors. People die.

The Future - Mining ship discovers the alien eggs on distant planet (plus fossilised Space Jockey), everyone except Ripley dies (oh, and the cat), Ripley goes to sleep in her pants.

Ripley stuck in stasis, eventually found. Returns home 80 odd years after she left. Humans have colonised distant planet, lost contact, Ripley and Marines head there, loaRAB of aliens, all hell breaks loose, biggest and best bitchfight EVER, Ripley, Newt, Hicks, and half a robot survive, go into stasis (because that worked so well last time).

Ripley et al crash on prison planet, Ripley only one left alive from the previous film, EXCEPT FOR stowaway alien(!), Ripley sacrifices herself to save everyone in a beautiful camera shot.

Even further in the future - dead Ripley cloned to get the alien gestating inside her. She's a bit 'different'. In a totally unexpected twist, the aliens wreak havoc. LoaRAB of people die. Also, swimming! that's new. Alien queen created by Ripley's cloned alien DNA gives birth to strange albino.....thing, which is sucked out an airlock, and so was totally worth the puppet cost. Ripley, another robot, maybe a few others? land on future! Earth. Joss Whedon cries at the realisation of what his work became. So do the audience.


So, prequel then? When and where will that be set? Present Earth? Past Earth? Alien homeworld? Planet where we first encounter the alien? Hollywood, where the alien kills everyone involved in the AVP series? And the people behind Alien Resurrection (except Joss)? Or, maybe, for once in Hollywood, the series could be left alone, and AVP, AVP:Requiem, and Alien Resurrection could quietly be forgotten. The Alien films are really Ripley's journey; it would take Scott, Weaver, Cameron possibly (hmmm Aliens in 3D?) before I'd want to go near the series again. (And I LOVE the first 3 films)

So to summarise - Sigourney Weaver, and preferably Ridley Scott AND James Cameron behind the camera (one produce, one direct?). Or go invent a new franchise and stop pissing over 3 great films that tell a story from it's inception to the natural endpoint with ever diminishing sequels/prequels/whatevers.
 
RIDLEY SCOTT DOING ROBIN HOOD? perhaps hell do a robin hood versus alien in space :) or with little john and robin fighting the alien with their bows and arrows in Sherwood Forest ? i think they have exausted and squeezed every drop out of the alien series now!!!
 
personally, I would love another alien movie, not an AvP3. For obvious reasons, also going back is not the way, and the spacejockeys history should remain a mystery. As others have said on this forum.
My understanding a few years ago, scott and cameron, where going to do something together. That would be interesting. Scotts darkness with camerons action. Possible? who knows. Camerons too caught up in Avatar right now anyway.

Ive been a fan for many a year of the movies. I actually enjoyed alien3 for what it was. Fincher did his best considering.

Just as an aside..if your anywhere near glasgow, go to this

www.alienwars.com.

Its frightening as hell, and great fun as well.
 
My reading of it was that the pyramid was in mothballs until the Predators arrived. Either they triggered it, or their arrival was on a schedule. They had a bunch of young warriors and were going to do their usual bug-hunt. I don't think the humans would have found the pyramid otherwise, but I'd have to watch again to be sure.

We briefly get to see one of the Predator planets. A Predator there gets a signal telling him that the ship from the first AvP film has succumbed, so he flies to Earth to clean up the mess.

An interesting point, canon-wise, is that the signal time and journey time are so short. It's a matter of hours. So there's a Predator planet near-by, at least using their technology.

I forget whether human ships travel faster than light in the alien films, but their journey times are long enough to need hibernation.

I kinda hope she won't be involved.

I hope a prequel will be SF rather than horror.
 
Alien Resurrection isn't that bad. Sure, it's poorer than the previous installments, but is significantly better than the AvP crap. Jean-Pierre Jeunet is one of cinema's best directors, and he brought some of his excellent style to the movie. The story was based a fairly decent concept (note adapted from a Joss Wheldon screenplay...), but I think it primarily suffered because fans felt that Alien3 should have remained as the closure of Ripley's story, and typical sequel syndrome.

I think that a prequel is the only practical and credible way of resurrecting (no pun intended) the franchise..
 
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