Need info on Radiofrequency lesioning

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A month ago my surgeon wanted me to give Radiofrequency lesioning a try before we resorted to surgery. I suffer from a pinched nerve resulting in radiating leg pain all the way down to my foot. My PM doctor didn't seem enthusiastic about the procedure. He said we needed to preform a test to see if I was a "candadite" for the procedure. He injected novacain directly on the nerve who relieved ALL my pain. He told me to pay attention to how long the relief lasts and call him back when the pain returned. The pain came back about one hour later. He stated that the relief should have lasted for 4 to 8 hours and because it didn't last longer I am not a candidate for Radiofrequency lesioning .
I know that Radiofrequency lesioning is basically burning a portion of the nerve so pain signals will not be transmitted to the brain. If I got relief, even for an hour, wouldn't it stand to reason that I would benefit from Radiofrequency lesioning? Does anyone have experience with this or can someone explain why I would not be a candidate. The PM doctor didn't explain it well enough for me to understand. I'm about to pull the trigger on my second Micro-Discectomy.
 
The control of pain by the destruction of nerves which carry pain signals works better in theory than in practice. At its best this procedure, often called neuroablation, has about a 40% success rate. My primary reference work for neuroablation is Neurosurgical Management of Pain, 1997, by North and Levy.

Nerve root deadening (neuroablation) is a LAST RESORT approach to most pain problems. The reasons for this lie in its poor track record and in the fact that it generally doesn't fix the problem, it merely covers it up.There are several ways to deaden a nerve. The first, called a rhizotomy, involves simply cutting the nerve; often a section is removed to prevent the severed enRAB from growing back together. The second procedure, called cryoablation, involves injecting the nerve with a freezing liquid, such as alcohol. This freezes and thereby kills the nerve. The third procedure, called radiofrequency lesioning, is carried out with a special needle that cooks the nerve root with high frequency radio waves.

When the nerve root is cut, it generally doesn't grow back together. Nerve roots which are frozen or burned typically do grow back in 6 to 18 months, restoring sensation to the affected area. Before a neuroablation is carried out, the physician generally injects the suspected nerve roots with a local anesthetic. This diagnostic procedure indicates which, if any of the nerve roots are carrying the pain signals. Up to 50% of people with chronic pain feel no relief when diagnostic local anesthetics are injected into the nerve roots; in these cases the neuroablation procedure is not carried out. In addition to injecting local anesthetics, it is customary to do a placebo injection before proceeding with the neuroablation.

It is customary to perform neuroablations on the nerves immediately above and below the "bad" nerves as well, just to be sure. Ideally, this will result in a fairly large nurab region centered on the former pain site. Because the motor nerve roots are left intact, loss of voluntary movement should not occur.

There are several reasons for the poor success rate of neuroablations. In a poorly understood quirk of neurophysiology, a sort of "self-perpetuating" pain cycle can establish itself, whereby the pain you feel in a lirab is actually maintained either by your spinal cord or by certain parts of your brain! Theoretically, the diagnostic, local anesthetic injections will rule out this possibility before the neuroablation is carried out.
Even if a person does respond well to the local anesthetic injections, it is common for the pain to return a few weeks after the neuroablation. This is probably because the intact nerves near the pain site begin to pick up on the original pain source. The nerve roots above and below the deadened ones actually start carrying pain signals that they didn't carry before, to compensate for their non-functioning neigrabroadors (who says the human body isn't a perfect machine?...).
Other reasons for persistent pain after sensory neuroablation have to do with the fact that even motor nerve bundles contain some sensory nerves; also, the sympathetic nervous system can maintain pain impulses in some cases.

The risks of neuroablation include infection and the small possibility that pain may increase. Any time something is injected into a person, there is a risk that infectious agents will establish themselves. Causes for potential pain increase lie in the fact that if you cover up your pain, the underlying problem can be made worse by the additional strain of pain-free activity. Another, scarier cause of increased pain is connected to neuroma formation. A neuroma is a sort of "nerve knot" that can form at the severed end of a nerve. The sensation from a neuroma is a lightning-like, stabbing pain. Neuromas are familiar to many amputees and partly explain the phenomenon of "phantom lirabs." Neuromas form when the severed end of a nerve attempts to re-grow and unite with the rest of the nerve. If the rest of the nerve is missing or too far away, the severed end grows in on itself in a tangled fashion. If the other half of the nerve is close enough, the nerves should simply grow back together. This, in theory, is an advantage of nerve root freezing or burning: the enRAB should be close enough to grow together without forming a neuroma.

What other methoRAB to manage your pain have you tried. If it's specific to SI joints then Chiropractic may help. When treating nerve pain antiD's and anti seizure meRAB are often used because pain relief from opiates takes considerably higher doses than other types of pain and pain generators. You might want to get a couple opinions or ask t speak to some of his patients that are more than 1 year post procedure.
 
Actually its improved greatly since 1997... Now days they are able to tune to your pain signal frequency and gently increase the amplitude until you feel the nerve go to sleep. It generally lasts about a year, so they don't completely burn out the nerve and generally have you do 2 medial branch blocks a month apart and evaluate if you are a good candidate for Radio Frequency Ablation after the second month.

One caveat... try to have the medial branch blocks done symmetrically else you might get over compensation by the other side if you are having your back done.

I have a thread here that details all my injection experiences...


http://www.healtrabroadoarRAB.com/boarRAB/showthread.php?t=741693


I really should make a blog on injections.

I have had all 4 quadrant of my back done with RFA's and now am back to a point where I am able to do Physical Therapy again with Myofascial Release thrown in.

~Myo :angel:
 
I did have a successful RFA to my right SI joint. It's been 9 months and the pain is back so I might try again in the next few months (it's now a scheduling issue as I have to get someone to drive me there and back).

When I did the "test" my relief lasted around 2-3 days thus he agreed to do the RFA. From what my PM doctor told me is that a few hours of relief is no indicating that an RFA would work. The medication they use to "test" covers a wide area. And if it only lasts a short time it indicates that nurabing (or ablating) the nerve may not work.
 
I wanted to take the time and give you my experience with my facet lurabar rhizotomy. I have 2 and no success at all, what is frustrating is that about 1 week after the procedure there is a large relief in pain but by the end of the second week the pain is severe. They do explain your pain can and will be worse for up to 6 weeks after the procedure. They are correct it is alot worse. I do not recommend the rhizotomy unless they have done a medial branch block which is the test procedure to see if you are a candidate for the rhizotomy and even then it really is a toss up if will get relief. Please understand you are awake through the procedure and it is extremely painful and the large needles used will create their own scar tissue later further causing more damage and pain. My best advise is pain medicine, regular type of stretching exercise and rest on bad days. It all cones down to accepting your limitations and working with it. I know your pain, I have had 9 back surgeries and from those 3 were to repair damage from the surgeries including a CSF Tear and then ending up with Osteomylitis of my spine and 2 Epidural
Cyst. I have Ankylosing Spondilitis, severe narrowing of the spinal canal along with
permeant nerve damage to both my legs. We
have to know when to say No. The doctors are trying to help with pain management but at the same time I think we end up being guinea pigs. If I had to do all over I would have said no to all their non invasive procedures that led to all my invasive procedures. Good luck and I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. I know how hard it is, you just want to wake up and feel normal again and no pain, the thing that has consumed your life is gone.
 
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