Need help getting off Suboxone

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I am with you. However, I am trying to taper off slowly. I was on 8mg sub for the last 2 years. As of Feb 1st, I have been taking half(4mg). I take 2mg around 11am and then 2mg at around 7pm. The only thing so far that I am going through is sleep problems. I sleep for 30min then up for 2hrs. It sucks. I also started going to the gym and working out for about an hour a day. Maybe that is helping. I do know that the withdrawls from the suboxone are horrible. I tried quitting about a year ago. I never felt so miserable. I will take any other advice I can get? Or if anybody neeRAB my advice let me know.
Thanks,
Evan
 
Day 7 has now been officially completed.

And it was worse than yesterday for some reason. I guess some days are good and some days are bad.
I think the restless leg syndrome is starting to go away. Even though I still can't sleep at night, I have found myself thinking more about my life than the weird feeling in my legs.

Suboxone offers by far the WORST withdrawal symptoms than ANY other opiate drug.

I mean, 7 days clean, and I'm still suffering some major WD's. I'm doing everything possible to minimize the symptoms but it's not working.

I don't know, hope this enRAB soon, I'm starting to get REAL tired of it.
 
Hey Friend,

I am SOOOOO sorry that all of this is happening right now. I am so sorry about what happened last night. I can't imagine the pain you feel right now! I am so sorry! I know there is nothing I can say that will make you feel any better right now but I am going to keep typing anyway!

In regarRAB to your feelings towarRAB God. I think a lot of people have similar feelings as you... It's really convenient to believe in him or pray to him when you "need" help but then to forget about him when you don't..... I am sorry you feel that way... I hope he can find a way to shine some light in your heart right now.

I am so sorry to hear about the lawsuit too.... That is terrible! It sounRAB like you have so much on your plate right now so of course you are in a dark place. I hope and pray that even thru all of this pain you can find a way to stay sober..... I guess the best advice I can give you right now is to vent all you want on here.. We are here to support you. I hope things take a turn for the better and I really hope your day goes by quickly! It's so hard to deal with people when you feel like you are fully falling apart... I have been there... It's a terrible feeling!

Keep us posted. You are in my thoughts.
 
Arman,

I am SOOOO glad you posted. My heart aches for you right now. It sounRAB like you are so miserable right now and I wish I had a way to make it all better.. Have you talked to your girlfriend since the "break"? Did she explain to you why or did she just end it and that is that.. Is she speaking to you at all? I hate to hear you have no one to talk to except us.... I am going to be worried sick about you all weekend as I have no computer access on weekenRAB!!!

If I was there.... we would have a long heart to heart and get a game plan figured out. It sounRAB like you changed your life abruptly a few years ago and things just went haywire from there. The DRUGS do change things... For me.. I always felt like the pills made me WAY more enjoyable to be around.. They made me happy.. very happy... But looked what they have caused.. TURMOIL in everyone of us.. Right now everything feels so uncertain for a lot of people and it sucks to feel vulnerable...

Do you have the means to go home to Sweden for a while? I don't know.. Just brain storming......

I am thinking of you and hope things start to turn around for you... Remeraber though.. the pills will fix nothing.. I have been repeating that to myself for a week straight now trying to convince myself of the same thing.... I know it's true though.. The addict side of me though... that's a whole different story.. We can do this together!
XOXOXOX
 
this is all good to know, because i have recently been pondering taking up suboxone treatment. Im not so sure now, it seems as though it creates more problems rather than helping. correct me if im wrong
 
Secrets1983

the heartache i feel right now is currently more brutal than the drugs.

I'm afraid I'm gonna go berserk, let it all out and start punching stuff or whatever.

We last spoke on Wednesday, even though it's been 2 days, it feels like a week.

I need to have something to look forward to, right now, all I see down the road is work, pain and more pain.

I'm also afraid that if I go to Sweden, I won't come back, then I'll regret it.

I'm gonna give it a couple of more days to see what's going on, if nothing get's better, i'll do something.
I don't know what, but I'll do something

I always do
 
Sverige, the shat doesn't go away because you take a pill. Think about it! All your reasons for wishing to demedicate are still valid reasons! And they are the reasons that if you are successful and you reach that goal of demedication, your mind and whole being will be in a much better position to resolve those other issues! Going back to the sub is like sticking your head in a hole in the sand like an ostrich. Your whole ess is still sticking straight up in the air!
It is always your choice. You have come a long way to give up now. All that suffering you have already experienced is for a reason. Don't waste it! Use it. You have to be somewhat of a bad ess to go through 10 days of w/d's. You have what it takes to go all the way.
Oh, yeh, I think I read you've been working and holding down your job through all this. WOW! no, let me say again a hundred times WOW! You got what it takes to get through all of this. You are so close to conquering this demon. Focus on the demon and how YOU are going to kick it's butt. Keep going! Many, Many, Blessings!
 
Subtrain.....What a great post!!!! It brought me to tears as I have just been through it all and it just reminded me of how greatful I am to be off of the suboxone and get my life back.

Thank you for posting.

Take care of yourself and those anxious figidty legs will finally get better, but....I agree the sleep deprivation is absolutely terrible but yes those restless legs or the worst!!!!!!

Bye for now
Lyn :angel:
 
That is GREAT Arman!!!!

I am so happy for you!!!! It's remarkable that you are doing so well!!!! Well, I am having a mini celebration over here for you!!! :wave: I hope it continues to go this way for you!!! You have suffered enough!

Evan,

I am glad you are doing good too... Only dealing with sleeplessness is impressive. Yes, I would suggest benedryl or maybe some unisom or something... I know after a while of not sleeping I HAD to take something otherwise I was going to end up going postal at work!! hahha

I wish you both GREAT success!!!!
~Secrets
 
I also forgot to mention, I've had 1 x 8MG sub in my car for over a week, and I haven't touched it! I have been aware of it and the temptation is always there, but so far I've fought it. I was going to throw it away, but I guess it's better to keep it close to remind me of why I'm going through all of this.
 
HOW IN THE HECK DID I MISS THIS???? Once you responded to my thread I went to find you.... I don't know how I missed this one.... Well, now that I found you... LOOK OUT!!! I am a person who talks WAY too much!! haha

What an inspiration you are!!! 5 days cold turkey off suboxone?? HOLY SMOKES! You must be made of titanium!! hahahha Really though! Most people including myself would not have the strength to do it this way so good for you!

I am sorry you are feeling so aweful! I remeraber working thru my 3 weeks of withdrawal and it was TERRIBLE.. However, I tapered over 3 weeks and still suffered terribely so I don't know how you are holding up!!! And dealing with people is the worst!! I remeraber wanting to just hide under my desk the whole time.. It's not like I could take off work and say I had the flu for 3 weeks and neither can you I am sure! So.... lots of deep breaths and lost of posting will get you thru this.

I am really proud of you!!! Keep posting. You will for sure be in my thoughts and prayers!
~Secrets
 
Hi Angel, seriously, I don't think anything anyone could say can be too harsh. Drug addictions and dependencies, however constituted, hyjack peoples lives. They kidnap fathers, mothers, children, grandparents, uncles and aunts away from their family and frienRAB. Steals their futures and the gift of God's grace. It is so sad. I have witnessed and experience first hand, personally, it's sadness.
It is truely something that effects us as a whole being. That is why so many do not succeed in their recovery. They end up only dealing with part of the problem. Here me now, and I hope I am not being to harsh but,.....withdrawls and all of it's suffering, oh my God, is it suffering, is the easy part. It is only the beginning. The damage done has to be repaired in the whole person and then the reasons have to be reconciled within. It is a long journey.
My view is to erabrace all of it. For some reason this path has been chosen for you. Once your body and mind are clear of the medication, sluge in your brain, you are on your way to realize who you are, who you can be, we are ever changing, and what you can give. True happiness, that which we all hope for, can only be found in giving and value is only measureable by sharing. Thank you for giving and sharing.
 
That sucks.. Heart ache is the worst!!!! I am currently going thru some personal stuff that is breaking my heart at the moment and I too feel like I am about to lose my mind... In fact I just got off the phone with my clinic to see if they would up the dose on my Celexa (anit-depressant) so I am waiting to hear back.... I know how you feel about not being on any meRAB so I won't even suggest you getting on something like that to get you thru this hard time.

Well, I will advise you to not start punching stuff... you will just end up with bloody knuckles and that will just tick you off more. When I am in a bad place I try to tell myself that things are always changing and that nothing stays the same so when things get really bad... it's bound to change and get better.. I know it doesn't seem that way.... Boy do I know that!

I wish you were doing better and I wish there was something I could say or do to make you feel better..... Keep talking.. Vent away.. Vent, vent vent!!!
 
Day 9 has been completed.

But I have to be honest, today for some reason was very difficult. Must have been the lack of sleep the past 4 nights. And the long hours at work, and the restless legs.

SO i did the unthinkable, i took a very small crurab of sub just to get the edge off and get at least ONE night of sleep before the week starts again.

I do not feel good about what I did, not a bit. But I didn't see any other solution to it. I have a full bottle of sub's, I took one pill, broke it down to 4 pieces and took 1 small piece. And you guys have no idea how much that little piece changed everything. I got energetic, happy and felt extremely good, and my legs are just fine!!

It's just so weird how such a small dose made a difference.

I've been clean for 8 days non-stop. I hope that this little crurab wont make me relapse. Actually, I PRAY that I wont relapse.

But I do know that I will get a night's sleep and that's all that I wanted.

And to everyone that's reading this...forgive me.
 
Sverge.....I just sent you some info on a post to you and e-bird. It might help you to read it and see how I understand what suboxone is and does.

I have been off (as you know) "suboxone" for 40 days today and am still in "chronic pain" and am working on that with my "neurologist", family doc and a pain management doc. Well I just want to say that suboxone withdrawls are not easy and you have to have a strong will and a strong mind and I know you have both. This is not going to be easy and this is my opinion only. I think first of all if you are serious about quitting then you need to get rid of your pills. Out of sight, out of mind. If you have some sitting around then you always have a back up plan. If you don't have any in the house or wherever then you know you have to be strong. I was told in the "withdrawl clinic" that my husband had to throw away all of my pills or put them somewhere where only he knew where they were!!!! That was one of the rules before they let me out and they talked to my family about it. If you are not telling anyone then you need to trust someone (outside the family) to take your pills away. I could be wrong that you don't have any in the house but when you said that you wanted to go home and open the orange bottle and take a pill that you might have some in the house.

I will tell you what I went through and what other people on the boarRAB and the advice they gave me. I was told to eat "bananas" and drink V8 juice because they were full of "potassium" which would help with the "restless legs". There was some kind of juice, now I forget what the name of it was. Maybe you can find it on old board posts. It was also for jittery or restless legs. I found putting a heating pad on my legs helped a bit and also hot baths constantly day and night. Other people said to take Benadryl as I know you are not probably sleeping at all (their opinion not mine but it has helped a lot of people) Please check that out with someone else before you try that. I kept my mind busy and you are at work so that should keep you busy. Go for walks......check the old boarRAB and also read at the top of the boarRAB there is some help for withdrawl symptoms.
I am sorry this post is getting long (what else is new). I hope I have helped. I am thinking about you and know you can do it.
Take care of yourself and am wishing you a calm and peaceful day. It will take a while and everyone is different. YOU CAN DO IT!!!!. You will have the rest of your life to look forward to and it will be wonderful!!!!

Lyn
 
Evan, I'm glad you are tapering down slowly, don't pull a cold turkey like me.
The first 5 days were horrible. Truly horrible.

I did hear that eating alot of fruid and vitamins, specially antioxidants will greatly improve the "purification" progress, so how about you eat alot of fruit, green tea and anything else that contains antioxidants. It's proven that the antioxidants clean out your entire system of harmful by-products. Drugs included.

Stay though and smart!

Arman
 
Sverige, hey, you do what you have to do. Sometimes only you know what it is you have to do. What you are attempting to do is tough, really tough.
Opiate dependency and withdrawls hasn't change since it's beginning. Tapering down is just a milder form, easier for some, not for others, of one day making that mental decision to quit. Cold turkey. It's hard, really hard. Day 8, 9, 10, all around in there, not lessening the degree of all the other days, wow, you are in the thick of it.
I can only caution you, at this point, based on my own experience, that to control your own access to your meRAB is probably a burden you should put in someone elses control. Someone you trust that understanRAB what you are trying to do. UnderstanRAB that YOU are not YOU through all of this. The YOU, you are trying to bring back, is not the you hear now capable of making all the right decisions. The you here now is medicated!
It takes about, 8 to 9 days for all the suboxone to leave your system. That's if you jump off at 4mg. I believe it is something like this.....about every 37 hours you body, if you drink lots of water, and eat, your body reduces the amount of sub in your system by half. Sucks! This stuff takes a long time to go away. It's strong, very strong.
All through this process of getting YOU back, getting off this poison, you who are medicated, has to make difficult decisions. Some will be right, some wrong. Some useless, some very meaningful. Some you should make yourself, other decisions you should try not to burden yourself with. Ask for help. Let someone you trust make those decisions. Your main task at this point is to deal with the suffering and stay mentally strong.
By taking some sub at this point, only you will know, once YOU succeed, if it polonged the time to success or helped you get to success. Stay focussed and flush the meRAB.
I wish you luck, my blessings will be with you.
John Lennon with the Plastic Ono band wrote a song called Cold Turkey. He discribes opiate withdrawls in the song, written 35 yrs + ago, from his own experience. It doesn't change and it ain't no better now than it was then. Opiates are opiates. Natural or synthetic, blue or green. And opiate withdrawls are opiate withdrawls.
I believe that when YOU make the decision to want YOUrself back, that YOU inside the medicated you, has a real fight ahead. YOUR opponents are the medications and this devil the meRAB have created. That poor little YOU that has been buried for so long is wanting to live again. But, that devil wants his meRAB and he is using everything he can to make you suffer to get you to give in to him. He is your enemy. He takes you and keeps you where you don't want to be, through foolish promises of how good you can feel or how much he is helping your pain. BS!
My apologies for going into a rant.
I am still so pissed.
Physically, I feel good, really good.
Mentally, clear. Clearer.
Emotionally, level.
Spiritually, we are all together.
Blessings to all.
Sverige.....good luck and may all the strength you need be there for you when you need it. Do not give up. The reward is tremendous, I promise.
 
Sverige82

I have to give you alot of credit. I am doing the taper thing and I went from 8mg's a day to tiny bits and it was not bad at all. I tried cold turkey once and it was awful. I don't know how you can do it. I was in the military and hate the idea that I got addicted to vicodin for 4 years. It was a nightmare. I hate taking Sub but had I not done it, it would have destroyed my life. You may want to consider taking some Clonidine which is just a blood pressure medicatin and it will really take the worst off of the WD's and it is not addictive but it will help you sleep and relax. I understand not wanting any drugs in your system at all. The WD's will go away, there will come a time when you will not be having them anymore. But you might want to consier taking some clonidine for a little bit just to make you feel a little better.
 
Day Six is done and I feel good..real good!

I didn't sleep to well because my legs kept being naughty, but it's ok, I rather sleep less than deal with the WD.

The day was pretty good, better than expected, i was just yawning a bit in the afternoon, but nothing 2 cups of black coffee didn't take care of. The only downfall was the damn restless leg crap. GO AWAY ALREADY!

You know guys, I actually think I'm gonna make it! Today proved that the WD is starting to dissipate and the toxins are being pushed out.
And for some reason I'm seeing life in a different perspective than before.
During the year that i was taking suboxone, i had to work around the drug, every time we went somewhere I had to make sure I had the sub with me, every time we went out to clubs and bars I didn't enjoy myself like everyone else because I knew i couldn't even drink one beer while taking sub.

But alas, all of that has changed during these six days, I have learned to appreciate things more. I have learned that I do not need any sort of drug.
I even went and signed up for the gym today and you know, for once in a very very long time, I am Happy, I am comfortable with myself, I do not have to look myself in the mirror and see an addict anymore.
Once I hit 10 days cold turkey without sub, I will officially declare myself Free. FREE!!!

Tomorrow is day 7 and I'm not even worried, it's such a strange feeling, a feeling I haven't felt in a very long time. And I have a feeling that tonight - I will sleep real good.

And to everyone that has been clean from sub - i truly salute you! You are living proof that addiction can be beaten.
I have to be honest that these board have been one of the major reasons I have managed to make it this far. Seeing everyone caring, giving advice and giving hope and blessings.
This is better than ANY treatment anyone could possibly get.

AngelMichigan and Secrets - I owe you my life. I really do.
I hope and pray that both of you will be free from all the pain and suffering you are currently under. Wish I could do something to make both of you be happy and pain-free again. To carry on with your life's without thinking about what med to bring or what dosage to use.

I really wish there was something I could do..
 
Hey Arman,

How are you holding up at work? I have been thinking of you because I know how miserable it is working while going thru this. MISERABLE!!!!!

So.. I just wanted to see how it's going.....
~Secrets
 
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