Need help getting off Suboxone

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i am currently in your situation, except my husband does know what i do and have been doing..ill break it down for ya..
im a mom of 2 WONDERFUL kiRAB, a four year old and an eight year old. they both have lots of activities almost every evening, and my husband works a more than full time job with a schedule that sounRAB like yours. So basically i do most of everything on my own, but he is very loving and understnding about my addiction. I myself am so sick and tired of being the way i am.
Have you thought about talking with your sig other about your addiction? You would be surprised about how understanding loved ones can be about this type of stuff. my husband is the type who never even takes an asprin really, is dealing with tendonitis (sp??) in his elbow on his own..but when he found out about my problem he was surprisingly supportive of me.
Anyways, my advice to you, right or not, is to get back on the suboxone, and taper with your doc. you might have some withdrawals, but im sure not nearly as bad as what you are going thru right now..
wish me luck tho, im on my way to suboxone, to at least gain some of my life back!
i wish you the best of luck on any pathh you take!
 
Sverige......I am so sorry to hear about your withdrawls from suboxone. I am 39 days sober from "suboxone". I have just been through a very rough time in my life with this. I have "chronic pain" in my shoulders, neck and head and in 2003 had a failed fusion surgery in my cervical spine and was told that I have fibromyalgia, chronic myofascial pain, etc. My doc. had me several pain killers for years because of my chronic pain. I was taking Vicodin, Xanax, Oxycodin and Arabien. I didn't get high at all from these pills they only masked the pain about 40% but that was good. I decided after my body went into withdrawl for 6 months because my system or my pain needed more drugs than I was taking (my doc thought it was restless legs and put me on requip) that I was going to go off all pain medication and deal with the pain without narcotics. I went the "withdrawl clinic" route where they let you detox for 24 hrs on your own (which was absolute hell.....cold turkey) and then they give you suboxone. The suboxone calms you down almost immediately and you almost feel the same way you felt on the opiates. It makes you feel relaxed, a bit lathargic and a but fuzzy. I thought I was doing great. 7 days later they sent me home and I was so proud of myself that I had beaten the drugs......that was only the beginning, so I read after I got home, and got on the internet and these boarRAB and actually read and talked to people about what "suboxone" really was. My "addictionologist" doctor had already starting tapering me down almost immediately after I got home. I was on 2mg two times a day and then almost immediately went on 1-2mg after a few weeks. I went to see him every two weeks for tapering and worked very closely with him. If I had tapered and didn't feel great after that two weeks then he would keep me at the same dosage. This went on until I finally tapered down to 1/2 a pill two weeks later to a 1/4, down to 1/8 and then finally 2 weeks at just "crurabs". I was starting to feel a lot more sluggish, having problems getting out of bed, just overall lazy and slow. The day after I went off of the "crurab" I was in "full blown withdrawl....it was hell"!!!! I was shaking, feverish, anxious, my legs wouldn't stay still, couldn't eat, and could not sleep for one single second. It was horrible. Upon reading more on these boarRAB (TYPE SUBOXONE WITHDRAWLS IN THE SEARCH BAR ABOVE). You will see my story and lots of other stories. They are over a month old but you will find the information you need about what others have found out about suboxone. I know you are going through this now and I don't know what dosage you were on 'WHEN YOU STOPPED". You might have stopped way too soon. You need to taper off with the advice of your doctor.
I don't want to scare anyone but they say taking "suboxone" you are just trading one drug for another and it may help you get off of the Opiates or whatever your DOC is but you are definitely going on another addictive drug. My withdrawls were bad (lasted at least 3 weeks maybe a bit more) and maybe others didn't have as bad of a withdrawl on the suboxone but I have seen too many people on here that haven't suffered just as bad with the sub.
This is my opinion and I don't want anyone upset at me but I have just gone through this and it is still very fresh in my mind (and body) and now I am in Chronic Pain and have to find something that is not addictive to help with my pain.

If you have any other questions just ask.

Take care Lyn in Michigan
 
God I hate my life right now, I was doing so good, and I get slapped in the face with this.
I have tried to ignore it, I have tried to suppress it, but I just can't.

Just so you guys know, I am THIS close to get back on the subs, just to take my mind off all of this shit that's in my life right now.

I don't know guys, I really don't know.
 
First things first.

I want to thank ALL OF YOU for caring as much as you do. It really warms my heart, and gives me strength for another day.

This might be a long post but I need to vent more than ever right now, before I do something stupid.

I moved to L.A about 4 years ago from Sweden, I left my whole life of 20 years back home. I never ONCE planned this, I came here to visit family, stayed for 3 weeks, and the day before the flight home - I decided to stay.

Just like that, I never told anyone, i never planned for it. I left my frienRAB, my work,school, my girlfriend - I left it all in a matter of 30 min.

4 years later I regret what I did more than ever. I have never had problems finding frienRAB, but for some reason, I never managed to get close to anyone here. I was just fooling myself, hanging around with a bunch of pricks that care only about party, drinks and girls.
Don't get me wrong ,I was the same - about 6 years ago, I've been all over europe, been with girls left and right, been to clubs left and right, I've done it all.

But something here changed me, I became "boring". All I did was work work and more work. Until i met her, she introduced a whole new perspective of the society here. I became real good frienRAB with her frienRAB, and so on.

Before I knew it, I had to have a surgery due to an injury which also resulted in a pending lawsuit, and that's where the drugs came in the picture. And I think THAT is the main reason I have changed so drastically personality wise. For quite some time now, I have heard people tell me that I've changed to the worse. Even my own brother visited me from Sweden and he didn't recognize who i had become.

I KNOW it's the drugs, I know it. When everything got though, pop the pill.
When something is a burden - pop the pill. Every time, everyday for over a year. That shit messed up my so bad, that I'm starting to blame my self for the failure of this relationship. But how can it be? I've done everything perfect. I always make sure she's comfortable, always send her flowers, tell her I love her, ALWAYS make sure her neeRAB are met more than mine.

And before I know it, It's all gone.

So here I am, with heartache, drug problem, no frienRAB, and work that is eating me up from the inside.

It's though guys..I'm at a breaking point where I don't know what to do.
I'm mad at the world and the world is mad at me.

I am starting to lose control. I thought I could do it, thought it was just another minor setback in life, but GIVE ME A BREAK!
How much shit am I supposed to take? How many more problems are going to appear?

I'm at a breaking point guys, and I have no clue how to make it through.
It's harder because I don't really have anyone to talk to except you guys.

And you have no idea how much I appreciate it..
I really do...

Arman
 
I do not know what day I'm on anymore. Last I recall, I was on 9 or 10 days clean, then took a small crurab and started over again, so i guess this will be my 3:rd day officially...or something.

Either way, I feel great. Last night i went to the gym. I thought my cardio would be zero, and boy was I wrong. I jumped on the treadmill, put on some pumping trance music, and I started running. I ran for 1.5 hours non stop. I ran so fast my heart started hurting, i ran and ran until i was covered in sweat. At one point my BPM was up to 177.

It was the weirdest thing ever, my brain wanted me to stop after 20 min, but my heart kept pushing me on and on. Once I was done, I felt very relaxed somehow. I was hoping all that sweating will result in less WD's.

I really recommend everyone that is currently suffering WD's to hit the gym. It will do you good. Get some "aggressive" work out music, and hit the treadmill, aerobic, weights, whatever. It WILL take your mind of things.

I'm going there tonight again :)

T-Minus 10 hrs 28 min.
 
SVERIGE.......Hi, I just read your post. Please Please don't go back on the suboxone!!!!! There has got to be another way to do this. Think of everything you have just gone through and I know you don't want to go through this hell all over again. You are almost there, please think about this Sverige82. Taking a pill is not going to solve your problems with lawyers or anybody else. You need support from frienRAB and family merabers that can be with you at this time in your life.

We are all sooooo proud of you!!!


Take care and let us know what is going on!!!!

Did I tell you how proud we "ARE" of "YOU"

ANGELINMICHIGAN Lyn
 
Hey There!

How are you doing today??? SounRAB like things took a turn for the worse last night.. I am sorry to hear that! However, what I have learned is that this is one big roller coaster ride and we just need to learn to buckle ourselves in and hold on for dear life. I hope you are not upset but... I agree with Lyn, you have to get rid of that pill because it is just a MASSIVE temptation... You have made it thru so much already that I would hate to have to see you start over again... You are almost there and you have been such an inspiration for everyone on here!

Please give us an update and let us know how you are doing. I am thinking of you!
 
just be honest. it's always the best policy even though it's really hard sometimes. you can do it. i lied about my addiction to my family but once i told them things began to improve. it wa rough at first but i did get some support i needed. i also had some people reject me. that's life. best wishes to you my friend. :)
 
HAHHAHA... I love your.. T-minus 10 hours 51 minutes... Makes me laugh every time.

I know... The sleepless nights... HORRIBLE.. The restless legs... HORRENDOUS! It was miserable!!! My husband could not sleep with me for 3 weeks because I kicked all night long.. Even when I was lucky enough to fall asleep he said I still kicked... I was SOOOO relieved when it went away!

Great job on making it to Day 7!!!! Proud of you.. and I hope your day flies by! You work some long hours!
 
ANGELINMICHIGAN

Thank you for caring, it really means allot.

That little crurab I took wont happen again, I just needed to get some much deserved sleep for one night, and I did.

I was clean for 8 days NON STOP after going cold turkey, it was just too much to handle, I got over all the WD's, except for jittery legs, that was one of the reasons I had to take a crurab.

I promise you and everyone else that I will not be taking any more sub's - ever.

I already feel bad that I took a crurab, but I just wanted to get one night's sleep.

Again, I'm sorry.
 
keep up the good work arman. you can do it. stay strong and focused. a good workout, if you have the strength will help. once you get passed the really bad days exercise will help alot. that's another way to sweat it out and also build some muscle. i teach weight lifting so i had to make myself workout when i felt so bad, but pulled it off and now day 21 am feeling great. try taking benadryl, keep hydrated and look up the list on the beginning of this site for other things that help with detox. the sub withdrawal really sucks, it is much better to just taper from the DOC. stay strong, amed
 
Evan R,

Please stay on the thread topic and support the original poster. Start a new thread when you wish to discuss other topics.

I have moved your post to a new thread:
"Sleepless nights"
 
How are you doing today???

Just wanting an update to see how you are doing!!!!!

Thinking of you!
 
ebird and Sverge....maybe you weren't on the suboxone long enough to feel the withdrawls that bad. You were very lucky. I was on it from Sept. 2 to Nov. 28 (I wasn't on it that long but it did take over my life after going off of it)tapering down to 1/8th of a 2mg pill and then to a crurab and after going off of it I went through terrible withdrawls for at least 3-4 weeks. I started settling down at approx. 3 1/2 weeks. Everyone's body is different and we all go through things differently. I think (and I could be wrong), once you go on the suboxone apparently the opiates are probably out of your system and you don't get the cravings for them anymore because the suboxone takes over in your brain and it is a "synthetic opiate" and it tricks your brain into thinking that you are still on opiates. I have also heard that if you take "opiates" when being on subxone that it can be dangerous!!!! So if you were only on it a short time that is probably why your withdrawls weren't so bad......This is only my opinion and some may not agree!!!! I would like to hear what everyone else thinks please. Read up on past posts. They may be old but still find them please and read up.

Take care all
Lyn in Michigan
 
This is by far the WORST beginning of any year for me.
A bunch of BS happened in the beginning of the year.
Then I get smacked with a lawsuit.

Now, My and my love for the past 5 years broke up, A.K.A "took a break" last night.

That's EXACTLY what I needed. I mean seriously, it's not like I have enough shit on my mind, now I have to deal with this as well.
On top of that, I have to sit here, for another 10 hours and deal with people I really don't want to.

I hate life so much right now....you have no idea.

I also came up with a neat little poem while driving to work:

"When I'm in need, I ask of you, when I'm strong, I despise you"

I dont really believe in God, but for some reason when I'm weak and in need ,I pray to God, when I'm strong - I just dont care.
 
First off, congratulations on your sobriety. I definately do not think that you have just been taking another "drug". This "drug" has probably given you your life back, and you have not used street drugs since beginning the program. At least that's the plan with sub. I believe that sub is used to help you transition from a life of using, lying, cheating, and stealing to a life where you can be honest, trustworthy, and begina a new life. You definately cannot just jump off of suboxone. It neeRAB to be a very slow taper. The taper could actually be done over a period of one year. And even then you will experience mild withdrawals, but nothing compared to the way you feel now. I too was in your shoes the first time I got clean. I though "why am I using another drug when I'm trying not to use drugs?", so I stopped abruptly from 12mg to nothing. I felt fine for 3 days, and then it hit me. I was in withdrawal for 2 months. Once I started to feel better I began to use again. When I looked back, the only time I could have any time of sobriety was when I was on suboxone. So I admitted myself back into detox, and began suboxone again realizing that sub was the reason for me being clean. You are not meant to be on it forever, It is simply to help you get used to a life without drugs. Once you have transitioned yourself, which you have, you must taper very slowly. It is not easy, but we are all here to help. Some do not agree with me here, but suboxone is not for them. It is for you, because you said you have been on it for a year, and I'm guessing you haven't used street drugs for that year. That means you have been clean! Yes you needed the help of suboxone, but some of us cannot do it on our own. Congratulations on your clean time! I believe you should get back on suboxone, and taper slowly, or else you may use again to help you with the withdrawals you are feeling. This is how many people relapse. I know I did. So please think of suboxone as helping you stay clean, not just another drug. I has helped you. Look where you are now i year later. Good luck, and my prayers are with you!:angel:
 
ANGELINMICHIGAN, I have read your story, and everyone else's on these boarRAB. That's one of the reason I decided to join. But my situation is no where near yours. You are truly an inspiration to us all. To gone through everything you have...I'm lacking worRAB right now.

I did decide to go cold turkey because i believe that's the only way. No taper, no crurabs. This is my 5:th day now, sitting in my office with the door closed, trying to avoid people. Last night I went to bed at 11.30 P.M, my legs were feeling like a roller coaster, i finally managed to fall asleep around 3 only to wake up at 3.30, and i've been up since then. I'm colder than the weather in Siberia, I'm shaking faster than a wood pecker.

All I know is, I have never experienced withdrawals this bad - EVER.

9 hours to go...and off work i go..
 
Hey!!!!!

Look at you!!!! It's very impressive that you have come this far! I am proud of you.

For your legs... A hot shower did nothing for me.. They had to be in a bath or hot tub for there to be any effect.. It calmed them down for like 10 minutes after the bath so I tried to fall asleep really quickly once I got out of the tub.. Mostly it never worked but it was worth a try!

You are going to have to get over the feelings of guilt and put that energy into getting healthy.. It's in the past.. It happened. We have all been weak. Now do the right things and you will be great in the days to come.

I hope your work day flies by for you!!!!! And... I hope you get some sleep tonight friend!
 
HI Amed! Thanks for your reply.

I rather not take any kind of drug, like i said, this is something that I need to do the natural way, just to prove to myself that I haven't hit rock bottom.

I have however thought about the gym, like i said in Secret's Post right under this one.
Going to the gym and working out, and specially using the SAUNA i believe will do wonders. Just to be able to sweat out all the awful things that makes me feel this way is giving my a this wierd comforting tickle on my gut :)
 
Sverige, you are doing it! Keep it up! It sounRAB like you are in the thick of it and just about to go over the top. You are there. Keep going. You have the right minRABet and determination.
I just went through it. Jumped off at 4mg of sub. I so understand. From your writings you sound right in line with most sub withdrawls. Although each is unique, the similarities are pretty common. The suffering is worst than expected. Even for those who have been through other withdrawls before.
For me, listed in priority, sleep was the worst. I think I created my own burden here to some degree because, I felt if I could only sleep, I could cut the suffering time by a 1/3.
Next, frigging legs! and body pains! Frigging legs, frigging legs, frigging legs! Only answer I know, hot, hot baths with towel wraps in the tub. Lots of hot baths all night. I actually slept, sitting up in the tub quite often. Stretch those leg muscles too and the rest of your body.
3...emotional roller coaster! whew! up, down, up, down, mostly sad and self pity and then pissy that I got myself into this,....AGAIN. I mean really pissy and determined that nothing is going to stop me from getting through this hell.
4...fatigue, and I mean real fatigue! This could easily take the nuraber 1 spot. I think for me, about day 16 or 17, this unbelievable fatigue began to disipate. Overall, the longest and hardest to endure and try to explain.
Finally, appitite, I lost almost 15 pounRAB. I've put about 10 back on in the past week. My wife at about day 5 made me eat. This helped me. Really helped me, not just immediately but, I think in the long run has really helped me in getting back to feeling me again. I focussed on fooRAB with high protein, easy to eat. The only carbs I ate, oatmeal, grain cereals fruits and vegies. AND, water, water, water! I drank so much water to flush my system. This helped I believe to get the toxins out. Lots of water all day and night.
From what I just went through, sounRAB to me, mentally you are committed and have the right outlook. Great! That is the best thing. Your mind and will should get you through. Did me. My blessings will be with you.
Physically and emotionally, the suffering will fade and all will get better. I believe the 2 week mark, is a noticeable difference for most. Some sooner, some later. For me, I think a little soon was my case.
I hope this information helps. I know with myself, reading what others have been through was a big help, BIG. I am still reading.
Thanks to all who share their valueable experiences and insights.
Turn your deamons into angels. Value is measured in sharing.
Good luck! Blessings to all. We need them.
 
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