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You have come to the right place for support. I know how frustrating it is to have back pain and problems and can not get any answers. Seem like I like yourself went for years with back pain.

Keep trying to find another Dr that you can feel comfortable with. If you can not talk with your Dr and feel comfortable that he is giving you the attention you so need at this point then he would not be right for you.


I have long term issues and was lucky to find a Dr that is great. At first I was so shocked that after a couple of months of not seeing him he seemed to remeraber everything about our last conversations. I actually thought at first he must spend 30 minutes reading files before he goes into the room. I soon learned this is not true he has a love for neurosurgery and loves his patients. He is wonderful and I would not trade him.

Good luck and keep us posted

I will keep you in my prayers.
 
What can I say but to share my story of lower back pain.

Let me start by saying that I have, since being a teenager, experienced lower back pain.
Normally I could sleep it off, or in extreme cases stay in bed for awhile and eventually the pain would go away.

As I was in my thirties I noticed that from time to time my back would go out and required me to stay in bed for a week, before the pain would go away.

Let me add I have been very active in my life, and always have been overweight. Even while in the Marine Corps I was deemed overweight.

Now in May of 2006 I noticed pain in my legs sort of like a Charlie horse. You know that muscle cramp feeling you get right behind the thigh. It would not go away and it was even hard to get 2 hours sleep a night.

After about a month the pain refused to go away so off to the doctor I go.

Now let me say this I have managed health care provided by the state that I live in, which means I have to visit doctors in their list.
Little did I know that this would be a great problem later on.

So here I go, off to see the primary care specialist. Right away he orders an X-ray and I tell him.
 
Welcome,

I can understand your frustration, but unfortunatley what your doctor said is true. Extra weight is an undue burden on your back that is already stressed out. It is difficult to do, and in alot of instances, the meRAB you take can cause you to gain weight. It is something that many of us struggle with.

When you have time, you might want to jump over to the pain management board. There are a couple of folks there who have been to the center of the earth and back with back issues and pain and have an amazing outlook and view to share.

I have been told that I will live some degree of pain the rest of my life. This was not part of the agreement that I signed up for when I went in for my three level fusion. It has taken me quite awhile to come to grips with that and it still will sneak up and smack me on the side of the head. It is something that is difficult to deal with, and something that you need to learn to control. Because if you don't, the pain will control your life.....

you are in my prayers..this is probably the most welcoming group that you will meet. We know what you are going through and have been there. We empathise, will laugh with you, cry with you, smack you when you need it, pat your back when you want it....you name it, we're here....
 
After the doctor sees this report he says I need to see a neurologist and a neurosurgeon. He prescribes the strongest vicadin he can and senRAB me on my way.

Now here is where my frustration begins. Right off the bat they want me to start physical therapy, and try to lose weight. My response is do you think the physical therapy will help.

Now the reason I am not a big fan of physical therapy is because according to my MRI report I have multiple problems with my back, primarily my herniated disk are putting pressure on my spinal nerve. I don’t see how therapy is going to fix and/or alleviate this pressure. When I ask the doctor if therapy will fix and/or alleviate this, he says no but we have to try. I tell him right away NO.

If I have pressure on my spinal nerve therapy is going to make it worse. I try to explain to them that at this time in my life everything I do that involves moving around causes me great pain.

I also ask him if I magically lose the weight that they want me to will it stop he pain. He says there are no guarantees but we need to give a shot.

Now by this time I make the decision that I am going to speak to a neurosurgeon and see what he says.

Now when I see the neurosurgeon right away he says “You need a lamectomy and spinal fusion” He says my back is beyond physical therapy and will only get worse in time. OK I agree and they schedule the surgery for Septeraber 2006.

Now before I even get to the surgery, my L5-S1 disk decides to rupture. Now I will say this. That was the most pain I have every experienced. I did not even know the body was capable of experiencing that much pain. Besides the pain I lost the feeling in my left leg and could not even feel when I was going to the bathroom.

Off I go to the emergency room. Right away they do a MRI see the rupture and schedule surgery right away. The surgeon tells me he has never seen a disk rupture that bad. He said the rupture is crushing my spinal cord up to 95% and if they don’t operate right away I am in danger of becoming paralyzed.

So I have the surgery. Now I am very happy I had the surgery they only performed the lamectomy because that was the major problem. The good thing is that I have no more leg pain, and can finally get some sleep. The surgeon tells me your heavy lifting days are over and I need to take it easy because I am at a high risk of having more disk ruptures.

So now a few months after surgery I am still left with lower back pain. The pain is so great that after walking 2 blocks the pain is unbearable. I can no longer wipe myself because to twist is too painful. I can only sleep on one my left side, and forget about lying on my back. I still have nurabness in my left leg. However on a good note after some time I could feel myself going to the bathroom.

Now as I am seeing all these doctors after surgery they are saying take it easy, give your body a chance to heal. However I am noticing that the back pain is still there.

Right away the doctors prescribe vicadin, tramadol, Tylenol with codeine, flexall.

To be honest they do nothing for the pain. All they did was mess with my mind so eventually I stopped taking them.

Now here is the second MRI

IMPRESSION:

1. MULTIPLE POSTSURGICAL CHANGES ARE PRESENT THROUGHOUT THE
PARASPINOUS MUSCULATURE AND OVERLYING SUBCUTANEOUS FAT.
THERE IS EVIDENCE OF LAMINECTOMY ON THE LEFT SIDE AT L5-S1.

2. POSTERIOR CENTRAL HERNIATED DISC AT L3-4. THIS DEFORMS THE
ANTERIOR THIRD OF THE THECAL SAC AND CONTRIBUTES TO MILD
SPINAL CANAL AND BILATERAL NEUROFORAMINAL STENOSIS. IT IS
UNCHANGED IN APPEARANCE.
3. POSTERIOR CENTRAL HERNIATED DISC AT L4-L5. THIS DEFORMS THE
THECAL SAC AND CONTRIBUTES TO BILATERAL FORAMINAL
EFFACEMENT AS WELL. THERE IS MODERATE SPINAL CANAL AND
BILATERAL NEUROFORAMINAL STENOSIS. THIS IS UNCHANGED IN
APPEARANCE.

4. POSTERIOR CENTRAL HERNIATED DISC AT L5-S 1. THIS DEFORMS THE
THECAL SAC AND CONTRIBUTES TO EFFACEMENT OF BOTH NEURAL
FORAMINA. THE AMOUNT OF SAC DEFORMITY AND FORAMINAL
EFFACEMENT IS UNCHANGED IN APPEARANCE.

5. DEGENERATIVE DISC DISEASE AT L3-L4, L4-L5, AND L5-S1.

6. DIFFUSE SPONDYLOSIS

Clinical Data: Lower back pain. Status post laminectomy on Septeraber 7,2006.
Comparison is made with the prior MRI of June 23,2006.

MRI LUrabAR SPINE WITH CONTRAST: A

Sagittal and axial images ofthe lurabar spine are obtained both prior to and following the
intravenous administration of paramagnetic contrast material.

a posterior central herniated disc at L3-L4. This deforms the anterior margin ofthe
thecal sac and contributes to effacement of both neural foramina. There is moderate spinal canal
and bilateral neuroforaminal stenosis at this level, unchanged in appearance. Following contrast
administration, no abnormal enhancement is seen.

There is a large posterior central herniated disc at L4-L5. This deforms the anterior half of the Brooklyn NY 11234
thecal sac and effaces the majority of the epidural fat within both neural foramina. The disc
contributes to a moderate degree of spinal canal and bilateral neuroforaminal stenosis. Following
contrast administration, no abnormal enhancement is seen at this level.

There has been interval appearance of multiple postsurgical changes at the L5-S1 level. This
includes a laminectomy on the left side as well as mixed signal within the paraspinous
musculature immediately posterior to this. Again noted is a large posterior central herniated disc
This deforms the thecal sac and contributes to effacement of both neural foramina.
There is no significant enhancement following contrast administration at this level. There is a
moderate degree of spinal canal and bilateral neuroforaminal stenosis.

There is a loss of the normal disc signal at the L3-L4, L4-L5, and L5-S1 interspaces. Spondylosis
is present in all levels, greatest at L3, L4, L5, and S1. Re identified are well-circumscribed
marrow signal abnormalities within the L1 and L3 vertebral bodies. Both are unchanged in
signal. Both mildly enhance following contrast administration. These likely represent
intravertebral hemangiomas. There is no fracture or spondylolisthesis. The remainder of the
paraspinal soft tissues are normal in appearance.

Now I am not a rocket scientist but as you can see there are still a lot of problems.

So off they send me to pain management.

Right away they start with the medication and suggest physical therapy. He says if that doesn’t work they will try the steroid shots and if that is not successful then we will have to sit down and discuss another surgery.

During my last visit to the neuro doctors they really upset me.

He asks me why I haven’t lost any weight. My response is how I can exercise when I am in all this pain and the exercise will only make the pain worse. Once again I say if I lose the weight will it stop the pain or improve the condition of my back. He says no but for health reasons I should lose weight.

Now I will agree I do need to lose weight, however it is frustrating when it seems that is the only thing he sees when I go see him. Is that I am over weight.

I feel like I am being processed like an animal now when I go to see doctors who are suppose to be trying to fix my back.

This doctor even had the nerve to say I should read some self help motivational books to improve my outlook on this situation. He even said he was more motivated about me losing weight that I was.

Believe me I was ready to choke him. The only thing I could tell this knucklehead was I wish he could walk in my shoes and experiencing my pain so he could see how motivated you get when pain regulates everything you do in life.

I feel like I am stuck because of my health insurance and forced to see doctors that don’t really care about my back conditions. They are already upset because the insurance companies only pay them a portion of what they charge for the doctor’s visit.

Anyway that is my story I am in the process of trying to find another doctor who can help but my hopes for this is very limited.

For all my fellow people out there who suffer from back pain I know how you feel and wish there could be another way. It is a shame that we are forced to endure this pain.

Well thank you for letting me share my story and hopefully you will reply
 
Thank you all so much for your your kind worRAB

It is nice to be part of a community that understanRAB what you are going through

I am now 40 years old, Happilly married, and have 5 children, with one more coming soon as we move into a larger place

Two of my daughters have sickle cell desease. One of them had a stroke about 2 years ago. She was 10 years old at the time.

Three of my sons have Autism.

My mother in law, Who I love dearly has diabetes along with kidney failure. She reeives dialysis three times a week.

My wife had to have surgery when she gave birth to our last child to save her life.

So add all this together along with my back problems and you have a recipe for a very busy life.

As I have explained to my doctors. It is not so easy for me to just drop everything I am doing and commit time to swimming or to a facility so that i can exercise to lose weight.

My children come first. myself and my wife practically live in hospitals with all the appointments we have to deal with.

The doctors seem to think that it is an easy accomplishment to forget about my family and just concentrate on me. His worRAB were "You need to take care of your health first or you will be no good to your children."

Know don't get me wrong I agree My health is important. But like I say. Sometimes in life things happen that you can not put off or rearange .

Oh did I forget to mention that money is very tight. That money is planned out to the penny so that we can survive the month. And when you tell someone to try "swimming or theraphy" that it requires money to accomplish these things

Lets not forget "Time" the most valuable asset. Time for me can be my worst enemy. Finding time to do other things outside of what is planned is no easy task.

All I am is saying is that eash individual is unique. With their own set of unique problems.

I think that when doctors plan a course of action to deal with a specific medical condition that you must take into consideration that persons situation

We are not robots who can blindly follow all of our doctors instructions. I myself can not take a certain pain medication that turns me into a zorabie when I have to be alert when my kiRAB are awake.

That is why I am so frustated with how my doctors treated me.

Anyway thanks for letting me share with you all
 
I am very sorry to hear that you are in such pain! Unfortunately each and every Dr that will see us 'back people' will suggest loosing weight if we are overweight. I agree with you when you say, how can I excercise when I am in this much pain!!
I wish you luck and hopefully you will find a Dr who is more concerned about helping you!!
~M~
 
Hi keico

you really have your plate full. with everything going on in your life its going to be rough.

a couple things about weight loss and PT. I know what you mean, I gained 40 lbs being out of work but my doc never mentioned losing weight (I was always underweight to begin with though). however for every pound youre over weight it puts lateral stress on your low back (theres a nuraber but I cant remeraber it). that lateral stress contributes to pulling your back out of its normal position and puts additional load on the discs. not good. so while losing weight wont eliminate the pain it will help. however like everyone else here weight loss is something I find really hard. Im finally losing some but Im also finally active again.

about PT. oh yeah it can hurt but the goal is to get you to use your core muscles to help your spine keep you supported. instead of the spine doing all the work, your stomach muscles help too. this also will probably help your help your back pain. again it wont eliminate the pain but it can help and between the two (weight loss and PT) it may, repeat may, help reduce the pain and prevent or slow further damage. I went to water therapy.. very low key but very helpful.

if you check with your doc he may have some handouts on exercises that might help. if theres a ymca in your area they might be cheap. my water therapy was basically about keeping your stomach tight in varying positions. I can give you more specifics if you want but I hesitate to do so as I dont want to tell you to do anything that may be bad for your back in its current condition. I did the water therapy after my surgery. I also had non water PT before. it did help a bit but as your doc has said it doesnt eliminate pain, it just may reduce it and help you be aware of your backs position at all times.
 
Keico--I'm so sorry your going through all this. Back pain is horrible. That therapy thing I believe they have to try all the above before surgery even if it doesn't work. I broke my Par's (back bone) and they had me do therapy to ?? And injection's.

I know how hard it is to lose weight if you can't do anything , I'm not over weight but I have gained since my injury , beer belly. Seem's like you got alot going on with your spine ..They didn't fix the herniation while they did your Lami ? What do they have planned for you now ? More surgery ?

I'll be watching this post , welcome aboard , people are very friendly here you can ask anything .

Shawley :wave:
 
Boy, do we have the same doc as far as the weight is concerned? mine is really fixated on my weight and touch me surgically until I loose 60 lbs, but after talking to others I understand the importance of the weight loss. I am sorry to here you are having all of these problems. If you dont mind me asking are you young? Well, I just wanted to let you know that you are in my prayers and I pray thing get better for you.
Rachel
 
Kelco,

My first specialist, a neurosurgeon, treated me exactly the same way. In fact, I had exactly the same conversation with him - how can I lose weight if any amount of physical activity lays me flat for a week? I had been having intermittent back pain for about 2 years, but what really set it off was a 1 mile stroll with a friend. I couldn't move for over a week. Yup, exercise was going to help.

We did try physical therapy, which made it worse. I had the same problem with muscle spasms when twisting for wiping, and had fears this was going to progress to the point I'd have to ask my husband to wipe me - the last thing on earth I wanted.

First, don't concern yourself with what the insurance companies pay your doctor. Not only do we sign up for meraberships with insurance companies, but the doctors do too. Their merabership agreement includes the understanding this is what insurance will pay for these services. It may seem to be a huge discount from the total billing, but the doctors understand it's easier to take that amount from an insurance company then try to get that full amount from the uninsured. My insurance company is the first I've ever had where I can actually see what was billed and what was paid, and as much as this shocked me it's Blue Cross/Blue Shield...which means there's nothing unusual about it. Even the hospital bill, which was over $75,000, was paid at $11,000.

Makes you wonder about how much the uninsured pay, but that another topic...

What you need is another opinion from another doctor. Within the parameters of your insurance see if you can find someone who specializes in spines and spinal reconstruction. It does not have to be a neurosurgeon, it can also be an orthopedic surgeon. I am 4 weeks post L4-S1 fusion and I can tell you, my back was not NEARLY as bad as yours, based upon your MRI results. It's looking like I may be one of those success stories because the only pain I now have is directly related to the incision. Back is achy if I stand or sit too long, but hey, it's only 4 weeks.

You have no idea how much I can relate to your frustration. With the first doctor, I had a month of 3x/week physical therapy which resulted in constant mid-body muscle spasms every time I tried to move. They reported this to my doctor, I reported this to my doctor. After that visit I got home to a message on my answering machine from the PT office. Doctor had faxed over an order for me to continue PT. I was shocked, and told them I would not be going. I felt as if I must have been talking to a brick wall.

In the end, this neurosurgeon told me there was nothing he could do, told me to lose weight, handed me back my films and said goodbye. When I asked again how I was to lose weight he referred me to rehab. I walked out of his office in shock. When I got the information from the rehab place I was even more shocked to see I had to sign contracts regarding the drugs they'd be giving me. This was NOT the direction I wanted to go in.

Finally I decided to look around for a second opinion, and instead focused on an orthopedic surgeon instead. By luck I discovered there was one in my area that was fellowship trained in spine reconstruction at a major university, had attended a big name medical school and was considered to be tops in the field who just happened to be from this area and wanted to practice here. His policy for appointments was to first see my films, have me fill out a questionnaire about my pain history, treatment history, etc. If he felt he could help he would make an appointment. And sure enough, 2 weeks later I got a letter with a date scheduled. He was wonderful, we sat and talked for over 45 minutes. At the end of the discussion we agreed on 2 level fusion surgery, and the next thing I knew I had a flurry of nurses and secretaries working with me, standing x-rays taken for reference, and had a surgical date set up a month from then.

Best thing I ever did.

So there is hope in spite of your frustration. Try to find another surgeon, and I wish you all the best.

Paula
 
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