My belated public apology

greken24 said:
I am a big trader and lied to many persons to get an invite but never betrayed anyone
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You mean aside from the staff of those sites, the members who invited you, and the people you lied to? That's what I thought. The only reason you're any better than him is because you weren't hunting traders while trading yourself. But with all the proxies and fake identities used by traders, I presume you're probably pretending to be a good little member somewhere or other.

As for the OP, you were a total douche, betrayed everyone around you, and then continued a petty and fruitless vendetta against the very people who made you what you are in the first place. Torrenting is a way to download files, not a freaking career, and you took it far too seriously. I was there when you exploded in CN's IRC and were banned, you made it sound like the world itself was coming to an end and your life no longer had meaning.

Seriously dude, just take a breather.
 
Disme said:
I was just wondering...I saw this thread: http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-43/t-time-alive-what-is-that-410252

Basically you're saying you are a n00b when it comes to torrents ... in that case I wonder why you replied to a post that deals with ghosts from the past???
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Well.. just saw it.. and this particularly quote came into mind.. and nothing as such..

For your reference.. Hmm.. I've said "it maybe a n00b question".. I had been torrenting for 4 years.. I know, it's not much.. but I've picked up my way fairly quickly in the BT world..

And if you saw so much as my post.. rather than giving the link to my post.. why haven't you answered it yet.. or is that you don't know either? =/

No offence.. Just expressing my view.. I don't think I'm barred from doing that.. Just came across this post today..
 
Who are you and what have you done?

I think i've seen you around some e-drama, but frankly i don't remember the whole story. :pinch:
 
graywolf said:
No offence.. Just expressing my view.. I don't think I'm barred from doing that.. Just came across this post today..
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Non taken :happy:

Yes, I do know what all this thread is about. It just struck me that as you were pretty 'new' to torrenting (or at least that's what I assumed) I wondered how you new about the story behind the OP.
 
Detale said:
Start a new persona, which shouldn't be a problem for you, and don't ***** it up again.
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oh not another one! :frusty: :lol:

no seriously, that's an interesting thought, i don't know which one I'd prefer (from bt friends) though...well let's see...

one is lying about your status of previously being a liar (even though it might be true you no LONGER are a liar), the other is being truthful about having lied (and obviously your aim is to no longer be a liar).

I'm leaning toward the second. The second has more accountability, and it's more responsible. Things are situational though, it depends on what values the concerned parties hold. But on a purely philosophical level, I'd prefer being as truthful as possible, despite the consequences to ones inconvenience. otherwise it's kinda cheating right? yeah i know, we all are 'cheaters' in that we cheat out of paying for copyrighted material, but I didn't say *I* was perfect :P. but since I value the trust of my bt colleagues, I don't cheat with regards to anything of that sort.

Anyway if one does start a new identity, no one will find out anyway :naughty:...
 
Oh.. well.. I remember hearing /seeing the name pokepays somewhere long back.. And when I read it here, it struck a chord.. I think I have seen his posts somewhere.. That's why..
 
A major problem I see here and I think some have mentioned already is that yes "this is the internets and what else can he do". That fact works both ways though, see all we have here is our words, more specifically our word. If we earn the trust of others in out little virtual world, kudos, but when this trust is damaged in such an awful way there is no way to gain it back, ever. Above being a trader or even an invite seller, being a known liar is far more damaging to someones on line persona. If you used to trade, fine you can stop and eventually people will trust you again, but something of this magnitude I don't think will ever be forgiven and surely never forgotten. I guess what I'm trying to say to the op in short is You're fucked dude. There's nothing I can see you doing to ever gain any trust or on-line relationships of worth. Start a new persona, which shouldn't be a problem for you, and don't fuck it up again.
 
^^ My head hurts trying to follow that. Maybe that's why liars finally come clean. Its damn hard work trying to keep track of the crap. Wipe the slate clean, and start over. The challenge is ofc, start over doing what? A new set of lies, or finally the truth. When trust is ripped, good luck trying to be believed.

Don't get me wrong. A mea culpa is never easy, and its better to fall on one's sword in the pursuit of coming clean, than to stay in the dirt all wrapped up in lies - but what Im still nto clear on is what end is served from all this. A pursuit of acceptance, forgiveness, a new start?
 
ringhunter said:
At least you're alive. I remember your whole fiasco, and it shed light on a lot more than I thought existed in the BT world. If what you did in your position of power was wrong, what you said wasn't. You exposed the truth, and nothing but that, and frankly, the truth hurts. I'm one of the firm believers in the fact that the end justifies the means, and regarding that farce you made, that is exactly the case.

Maybe you severed a few friendships, and maybe you upset a few people, but in the end, they brought it unto themselves by not being honest about who they are, what they do, and by being hypocrites and two-faced themselves. I don't ever feel that you should be sorry for doing what is right, even for the wrong reasons. That's just my opinion, though.

Hatchets aside, I'm glad that you haven't actually quit the BT scene as a whole, and hope you've still been enjoying it as much as you had been back then, before the drama had to settle in.

Quick Edit: Artemis, you (well your name at least) were dragged into that whole ordeal yourself, weren't you? I'm not going to one-up you by providing a crappy insight into whatever reasoning it is that you refused to accept his apology, but allow me to at least say this. It's the internet, the best either side can provide are typed words. What do you expect of him to do? He apologized, and that's the best thing he can offer right now. I'm sure if you knew him in real life, he'd buy you a beer, get on one knee and beg for forgiveness, but please. He said he was sorry, and has seen the error of his ways, what do you expect him to do for forgiveness?
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Oh noes my name was used !!!! I was dragged into an e-drama and I didn't even know it ? Ah well such is life.
My post was meant to expose his rather fluffy view of his activities over an extended period of time for what they were. He managed to dick alot of people who trusted him hard FOR YEARS and now comes back head down and goes I've been naughty ?
Seriously he has been an utter douchebag. Personally I have seen the carnage from only the 3rd person, I have been a member of forums and seen what he is capable of through his exposing of others.
Another thing the past has taught me is that we have seen these Mea Culpa's before (Dunson/Basilheydens/Trollinthunder ring a bell ?) and they carry on their merry way and do the same thing all over again when they get bored. I don't understand the mentality behind it but when someone does this for years I can only surmise that they are actually arseholes and it is the asking for forgiveness which is actually the sham!
 
You forgot to mention in your heartfelt little speech the multiple online identities (some of which Disme mentioned) or some of your other activities.
Lets see.....where do I begin..... well top of the pops has to be being both a trader and a trader hunter at the same time, nailing the very people that helped you get into your trackers. You even moderated a trading forum, yet professed under another identity to hate traders and proceeded to post details of traders you had caught in an effort to get brownie points with staff. I don't agree with trading but pretending to be friends with people then exposing them for brownie points ?????? :sick:
You have been so many identities, and betrayed so many people who trusted you time after time for what ? And now you want to come back and say sorry and we'll all hug (figuratively) and all will be forgiven. You have betrayed friendship and trust time after time, been so many online personalities you must be hovering on schizophrenia in real life and screwed over just about every person or community that trusted you time after time.
 
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