Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscripts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD) located in the British Museum.
While the oldest text of the Quran is hundreds of years after the time of Muhammad?
If the gospel has been protected from 325 why doesnt Quran have the original from the time of Muhammad? If Allah is only protecting the Quran.
In the Quran Allah says he will protect the Quran..why has he since better protected the gospel? Why would text of the Gospel date 325? Wouldn't that mean the original Quran would be availalbe if it was being protected better by Allah? Shouldn't there be a Quran form 600 or somewhere reasonably close?
The Deleter,
Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorised them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known;
(John Burton, The Collection of the Qur'an, pp. 126-127, Abu Bakr `Abdullah b. abi Da'ud, Kitab al-Masahif’, ed. A. Jeffery, Cairo, 1936/1355, p. 23;
Many (of the passages) of the Qur'an that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama ... but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (by that time) collected the Qur'an, nor were they found with even one (person) after them." (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif, p. 23).
How are you memorizing the lost Surahs?
How do you even know what you are memorizing is from Allah?
Imran, Why does Allah confirm the Gospel the Christians have? If your god confirms them who are you to argue?
Are you better than Muhammad? He said he was only human and he forgot surahs? What memorizers are better than the prophet that gave these surahs to them.. He saw need for these surahs to be written.. how come you tink it unecessary?
What was the method used in preserving the Quran? If we are to say memory, then we must say the memory of the prophet, not the memory of any man, because the Quran is suposed to be from God through the prophet Muhammad, so the Quran must first come from God through the prophet Muhammad.
Now Muhammad himself says, "I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me."
So from his own words we see there was a need to preserve the revelation he was receiving other than mere memory.
If Muhammad could forget, then obviously others could forget as he himself said I forget just like you forget.. so there was a need to write this revelation, as they did on whatever was available to them for the prupose of recording this revelation.
The Prophet recited the Qur'an and omitted an aya. When he had finished the prayer, he asked, 'Is Ubayy in the mosque?' 'Here I am, Messenger of God.'
'Then why didn't you prompt me?'
'I thought the aya had been withdrawn.'
'It hasn't been withdrawn, I forgot it.' (Ibid., pp. 65-66, `Abdul Rahman al Tha`alibi, "al Jawahir al Hisan fi tafsir al Qur'an", 2 vols., Algiers, 1905, vol. 1, p. 95)
Trancing.. Where are you seeing me ask if you could memorize a book?
I am asking if your book is protected by your god.
While the oldest text of the Quran is hundreds of years after the time of Muhammad?
If the gospel has been protected from 325 why doesnt Quran have the original from the time of Muhammad? If Allah is only protecting the Quran.
In the Quran Allah says he will protect the Quran..why has he since better protected the gospel? Why would text of the Gospel date 325? Wouldn't that mean the original Quran would be availalbe if it was being protected better by Allah? Shouldn't there be a Quran form 600 or somewhere reasonably close?
The Deleter,
Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorised them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known;
(John Burton, The Collection of the Qur'an, pp. 126-127, Abu Bakr `Abdullah b. abi Da'ud, Kitab al-Masahif’, ed. A. Jeffery, Cairo, 1936/1355, p. 23;
Many (of the passages) of the Qur'an that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama ... but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (by that time) collected the Qur'an, nor were they found with even one (person) after them." (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif, p. 23).
How are you memorizing the lost Surahs?
How do you even know what you are memorizing is from Allah?
Imran, Why does Allah confirm the Gospel the Christians have? If your god confirms them who are you to argue?
Are you better than Muhammad? He said he was only human and he forgot surahs? What memorizers are better than the prophet that gave these surahs to them.. He saw need for these surahs to be written.. how come you tink it unecessary?
What was the method used in preserving the Quran? If we are to say memory, then we must say the memory of the prophet, not the memory of any man, because the Quran is suposed to be from God through the prophet Muhammad, so the Quran must first come from God through the prophet Muhammad.
Now Muhammad himself says, "I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me."
So from his own words we see there was a need to preserve the revelation he was receiving other than mere memory.
If Muhammad could forget, then obviously others could forget as he himself said I forget just like you forget.. so there was a need to write this revelation, as they did on whatever was available to them for the prupose of recording this revelation.
The Prophet recited the Qur'an and omitted an aya. When he had finished the prayer, he asked, 'Is Ubayy in the mosque?' 'Here I am, Messenger of God.'
'Then why didn't you prompt me?'
'I thought the aya had been withdrawn.'
'It hasn't been withdrawn, I forgot it.' (Ibid., pp. 65-66, `Abdul Rahman al Tha`alibi, "al Jawahir al Hisan fi tafsir al Qur'an", 2 vols., Algiers, 1905, vol. 1, p. 95)
Trancing.. Where are you seeing me ask if you could memorize a book?
I am asking if your book is protected by your god.