Music Banter Hall Of Fame: Nominations Thread
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CrAyOnS O_o
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No, it's about the band being good enough, or liked enough to be inducted to the HoF.
... and speak for yourself, not for "the forum".
... and speak for yourself, not for "the forum".
Since I placed Bob's name into nomination, I want to rise to the occasion and argue the best case for Bob's induction.
Bob wasn't the beginning of reggae nor was he the end of reggae but he almost singlehandedly took the Jamaican music phenomena of reggae off the island and brought it to the rest of the world.
With the rise of Marley, reggae music went international, and by 1978 reggae music had reached the four corners of the globe. Stevie Wonder, America's best selling soul superstar, was opening shows for Bob Marley and the Wailers. Bob's music had reached far beyond the traditional US and European music markets and reached remote village outposts in Africa, South America, the Middle East and Asia.
No other musical performer... not Stevie Wonder, not the Beatles, not James Brown, not Ray Charles, not Aretha Franklin.... nobody else has had that kind of broad global reach with their music.especially in developing nations.
In my travels, I was stunned to find that villagers in the most remote regions of Nepal, Tibet, Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Belize and the Australian outback knew about Bob Marley and his music. These same people learned about Marley's music without any access to music radio or television, and these same people knew little of any other kind of music, beyond the music played within the insular boundaries of their tribal village. Nobody before Marley or since has had that same sort of broad global reach.
I can't imagine anyone saying that Bob's music is boring or irrelevant but for those of you who made those comments, I'd suggest that you get aquainted with Bob's music. You simply don't know the man's music and those 14 tracks you've heard on your copy of Legend aren't the benchmark of Bob Marley's incredible legacy. Bob wrote nearly 500 songs in his short lived seven year recording career and very few of those songs were throwaways.
Bob Marley and the Wailers only released 11 "official" albums over the 7 year span of their recording career. An additional release, Confrontation was released 2 and a half years after Bob's death. There are a lot of unauthorized and inferior collections of Bob's music out there and it's best to stick to the original releases to hear the best versions of the songs. Of those 12 official releases, the following 60 songs are the cream of crop:
Catch a Fire Tuff Gong (1973)
Song Picks:Stir It Up, Kinky Reggae, Concrete Jungle, Slave Driver
African Herbsman Produced by Lee Perry for Trojan (1973)
Song Picks:Small Axe, Duppy Conqueror, Trench Town Rock, Sun Is Shining, Lively Up Yourself, Fussing and Fighting
Burnin' Tuff Gong (1973)
Song Picks:Get Up, Stand Up, I Shot the Sheriff, Burnin' and Lootin'
Natty Dread Tuff Gong (1974)
Song Picks:Lively Up Yourself, No Woman, No Cry, Them Belly Full (But We Hungry), Bend Down Low, Revolution
Live! Tuff Gong (1975)
Song Picks:Trench Town Rock, No Woman, No Cry, Get Up, Stand Up
Rastaman Vibration Tuff Gong (1976)
Song Picks
ositive Vibration, Who the Cap Fit, Johnny Was, Roots Rock, Raggae
Exodus Tuff Gong (1977)
Song Picks: Exodus, Jamming, Three Little BirRAB, One Love/People Get Ready, So Much Things to Say, Natural Mystic, Waiting In Vain
Kaya Creative SounRAB (1978)
Song Picks: Is This Love, Sun Is Shining, Running Away, Satisfy My Soul, Kaya, Easy Skanking
Babylon by Bus [live] Tuff Gong (1978)
Song Picks: Exodus, Stir It Up, Kinky Reggae, Lively Up Yourself, Jamming
Survival Island (1979)
Song Picks: So Much Trouble in the World, Babylon System, One Drop, Zirababwe, Top Ranking, Wake Up and Live
Uprising Tuff Gong (1980)
Song Picks:Zion Train, Could You Be Loved, Redemption Song, Coming In From the Cold, Forever Loving Jah, Bad Card, Real Situation
Confrontation (posthumous) Tuff Gong (1983)
Song Picks: Chant Down Babylon, Buffalo Soldier, Blackman's Redemption, Jump Nyabingi, Trenchtown
If you haven't spent a fair amount of time listening (I mean really listening) to the 60 songs I've selected, it's not possible to assess the scope of Marley's musical legacy. Only two other reggae musicians, Burning Spear and Gregory Isaacs have a larger body of work than Bob's but both their musical careers spanned 30 years beyond Bob's and both are still active musicians. Most people unaquainted with Bob's recording career are surprised that it was so short. Bob Marley wrote a lot of great songs in those 7 years and many of his best songs never got recorded.
My point to those who are skeptical is this: You can call Bob Marley a lot of things but his music wasn't boring or irrelevant. It's fair to say you prefer Peter Tosh's music to Bob's... it's fair to say you don't like the cultural and political values of Rastafarianism... and it's fair to say you don't like reggae music in general. However, to call Bob Marley boring, irrelevant or untalented are all points I challenge you to defend with adequate evidence to support your mischaracterization of Bob and his music.
World-wide sales of Marley's albums are estimated at 250,000,000. Only the Beatles, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, ABBA and Queen have sold more recorRAB. Of all of those artists Marley is the only one without a commerical pop music orientation and he's only artist who recorded nearly all his work on an indie music label under his complete control. By doing so the Marley family has maintained ownership and licensing rights to one of the world's most valuable musical legacies. Nobody, not even the Beatles, have that sort of firm control over their catalog of music.
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Bob wasn't the beginning of reggae nor was he the end of reggae but he almost singlehandedly took the Jamaican music phenomena of reggae off the island and brought it to the rest of the world.
With the rise of Marley, reggae music went international, and by 1978 reggae music had reached the four corners of the globe. Stevie Wonder, America's best selling soul superstar, was opening shows for Bob Marley and the Wailers. Bob's music had reached far beyond the traditional US and European music markets and reached remote village outposts in Africa, South America, the Middle East and Asia.
No other musical performer... not Stevie Wonder, not the Beatles, not James Brown, not Ray Charles, not Aretha Franklin.... nobody else has had that kind of broad global reach with their music.especially in developing nations.
In my travels, I was stunned to find that villagers in the most remote regions of Nepal, Tibet, Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Belize and the Australian outback knew about Bob Marley and his music. These same people learned about Marley's music without any access to music radio or television, and these same people knew little of any other kind of music, beyond the music played within the insular boundaries of their tribal village. Nobody before Marley or since has had that same sort of broad global reach.
I can't imagine anyone saying that Bob's music is boring or irrelevant but for those of you who made those comments, I'd suggest that you get aquainted with Bob's music. You simply don't know the man's music and those 14 tracks you've heard on your copy of Legend aren't the benchmark of Bob Marley's incredible legacy. Bob wrote nearly 500 songs in his short lived seven year recording career and very few of those songs were throwaways.
Bob Marley and the Wailers only released 11 "official" albums over the 7 year span of their recording career. An additional release, Confrontation was released 2 and a half years after Bob's death. There are a lot of unauthorized and inferior collections of Bob's music out there and it's best to stick to the original releases to hear the best versions of the songs. Of those 12 official releases, the following 60 songs are the cream of crop:
Catch a Fire Tuff Gong (1973)
Song Picks:Stir It Up, Kinky Reggae, Concrete Jungle, Slave Driver
African Herbsman Produced by Lee Perry for Trojan (1973)
Song Picks:Small Axe, Duppy Conqueror, Trench Town Rock, Sun Is Shining, Lively Up Yourself, Fussing and Fighting
Burnin' Tuff Gong (1973)
Song Picks:Get Up, Stand Up, I Shot the Sheriff, Burnin' and Lootin'
Natty Dread Tuff Gong (1974)
Song Picks:Lively Up Yourself, No Woman, No Cry, Them Belly Full (But We Hungry), Bend Down Low, Revolution
Live! Tuff Gong (1975)
Song Picks:Trench Town Rock, No Woman, No Cry, Get Up, Stand Up
Rastaman Vibration Tuff Gong (1976)
Song Picks
ositive Vibration, Who the Cap Fit, Johnny Was, Roots Rock, Raggae Exodus Tuff Gong (1977)
Song Picks: Exodus, Jamming, Three Little BirRAB, One Love/People Get Ready, So Much Things to Say, Natural Mystic, Waiting In Vain
Kaya Creative SounRAB (1978)
Song Picks: Is This Love, Sun Is Shining, Running Away, Satisfy My Soul, Kaya, Easy Skanking
Babylon by Bus [live] Tuff Gong (1978)
Song Picks: Exodus, Stir It Up, Kinky Reggae, Lively Up Yourself, Jamming
Survival Island (1979)
Song Picks: So Much Trouble in the World, Babylon System, One Drop, Zirababwe, Top Ranking, Wake Up and Live
Uprising Tuff Gong (1980)
Song Picks:Zion Train, Could You Be Loved, Redemption Song, Coming In From the Cold, Forever Loving Jah, Bad Card, Real Situation
Confrontation (posthumous) Tuff Gong (1983)
Song Picks: Chant Down Babylon, Buffalo Soldier, Blackman's Redemption, Jump Nyabingi, Trenchtown
If you haven't spent a fair amount of time listening (I mean really listening) to the 60 songs I've selected, it's not possible to assess the scope of Marley's musical legacy. Only two other reggae musicians, Burning Spear and Gregory Isaacs have a larger body of work than Bob's but both their musical careers spanned 30 years beyond Bob's and both are still active musicians. Most people unaquainted with Bob's recording career are surprised that it was so short. Bob Marley wrote a lot of great songs in those 7 years and many of his best songs never got recorded.
My point to those who are skeptical is this: You can call Bob Marley a lot of things but his music wasn't boring or irrelevant. It's fair to say you prefer Peter Tosh's music to Bob's... it's fair to say you don't like the cultural and political values of Rastafarianism... and it's fair to say you don't like reggae music in general. However, to call Bob Marley boring, irrelevant or untalented are all points I challenge you to defend with adequate evidence to support your mischaracterization of Bob and his music.
World-wide sales of Marley's albums are estimated at 250,000,000. Only the Beatles, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, ABBA and Queen have sold more recorRAB. Of all of those artists Marley is the only one without a commerical pop music orientation and he's only artist who recorded nearly all his work on an indie music label under his complete control. By doing so the Marley family has maintained ownership and licensing rights to one of the world's most valuable musical legacies. Nobody, not even the Beatles, have that sort of firm control over their catalog of music.
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Six Samurai
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I didn't think this would take verbalizing, but PMO hasn't been on to change it.
He's not waiting for more debate.
He's not waiting for more debate.
Cristian R.
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The Blur are amazing I love Park Live and there self titled.
Repubes hate freedom
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I say no because as much as I like them..not enough to put anywhere near my hall of fame.
Not really no. I listen to music for music, if it's a great song musically then I don't really care if the lyrics aren't great or even if they're terrible, they could be about fisting for all I care.
It's different however if the primary focus of a song is the lyrics, then that can be a problem, but I'm never really attracted to something JUST for the lyrics.
It's different however if the primary focus of a song is the lyrics, then that can be a problem, but I'm never really attracted to something JUST for the lyrics.
I live for Jesus. :)
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Just voting no because of the order he's been nominated in is silly logic.
rajarshi s
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How old were you? If I were about 13 I probably would have beat you up had I found out you burned a Beastie Boys cassette. Or tried to beat you up anyway, I wasn't always successful :laughing:
johncoolgun
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I can hook you up with a link to Desire if you want - that's a pretty bloody good album.
Blonde On Blonde and Blood On the Tracks (both of which I don't yet have) are two of his most famous ones, so I'd say go for those as well.
Blonde On Blonde and Blood On the Tracks (both of which I don't yet have) are two of his most famous ones, so I'd say go for those as well.
Obviously I voted yes because I nominated them, but I think a lot of people are downplaying the influence they had upon the emerging indie rock scene of the 1980s. To put it in perspective, Mission of Burma had the same effect upon indie rock in America that the Buzzcocks had upon post-punk in Britain. As in, it wouldn't have existed without them.
I know a lot of people are coming in here without actually listening to them prior to voting, I strongly urge you to at least give Vs. a spin. Apart from being a superb album it's one that you won't see a music enthusiast without.
I know a lot of people are coming in here without actually listening to them prior to voting, I strongly urge you to at least give Vs. a spin. Apart from being a superb album it's one that you won't see a music enthusiast without.
Laurie penna
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PMs on the way...