Music Banter And It

I can understand why you think Ashlee Simpson etc aren't good, i don't think theyre good either, but pop ain't all that bad. The Smiths, The Cure, New Order, Super Furry Animals, Blur, the list goes on, they've all written bloody amazing, catchy pop songs. Theres no point taking a whole genre and saying its rubbish.
 
In a sense I think technology is partially to blame for the blandness of pop music these days, providing you actually find it bland that is. Technology has disassociated the music from the musician.
Think about all the mastering and editing of a song that goes on before it's released these days, all this fine tuning equipment that earlier artists never used to have. I would donate a kidney to charity if, for example, Britney actually knew how to work all this stuff, and she did her own music through and through. But she doesn't, and because she doesn't she has to get some technical team to do it. As soon as this guy comes in and starts playing with the beat, lyrics, rhythm, the tone of her voice etc etc it's no longer solely Britney's piece of music.

When it's finally released, it's really only 10% Britney, 90% some backstage team.

And I think this is where some of the detest for modern-day mainstream pop comes from, this lack of authentication, pride and effort that still somehow makes them the hottest of property around the world.

I know all musicians do some form of mastering at some stage, but none go to the extent and overdose the way pop artists do. Musicians that genuinely care for music, don't become so completely detached to something they're putting their name to.

Just something I think about when someone asks me what I think of artists like Spears or Simpson. I guess this relates back to my first post, I can see why people like it, but this is why I do not respect it.
 
Once people realise that music serves no higher purpose than to entertain, we can all go about our business listening to whatever we want without being criticised for lack of taste. Music is nothing more than entertainment.

Lets start by dispelling a few myths. Firstly,

"If they wrote their own stuff blah blah blah"

Tell that to Sinatra. Secondly,

"They don't care about the music"

What the hell does caring about the music have to do with anything? Go on a night out, get some S Club playing, and tell me you didn't have a good time. Yes, its about making money, but to do that you have to entertain. Pop music is accessible, lighthearted fun. Finally,

"They're talentless tw*ts blah de blah"

If I could make money out of being a talentless tw*t, someone please tell me how. I haven't figured it out yet.

Music is like any other entertainment. To appreciate some of the more eclectic offerings takes time, effort and training. The more music you listen to, and the more music you look for, the more you yearn for something a bit more complex and involved than the Top 40. Just like film buRAB end up watching strange foreign language films. Just like food lovers end up eating fooRAB that, to most poeple, are pretty nasty. Just like book lovers move away from the pickup, throw away, thriller of the week.

In short, it's inevitable that popular music will be simple and catchy. Most people just aren't interested enough to try any different.

Dave
 
Theres too kinRAB of pop.. The kind thats good and requires some talent, like The Beatles, The Who, The Kinks, David Bowie, The Smiths, Brian Ferry, Todd Rundgren, Elton John, Michael Jackson, Peter Gabriel, etc... and of course the kind of repetitive, talent-free crap that everyone eats up, make it into their ringtone and in a week say "i can't believe i liked this crappy song"... Check New KiRAB On The Block, NSYNC*, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Ricky Martin, Jessica Simpson, Smash Mouth, The Killers, Franz Ferdinand, Hillary Duff, etc.
 
Meh, I like some pop, and some of it is garbage, but its not just pop thats garbage. Like, that one Jessica Simpson song with you, is a great song as is Ashlee Simpson's pieces of me & I pretty much love everything Hanson, Busted McFly have put out. Its fun/catchy music, I don't see how people can bash pop music that are huge fans of all that 80s music and stuff.
 
Yes, I'm not really talking about those though. There should be 2 different genres-that for Ashlee Simpson and the rest of those talentess hoebags, and then one for Blur, The Smiths etc. From now on if I say Pop is **** just no I'm talking about the former category.

And yes I know this is musical snobbishness. But to be honest, I don't care.
 
I hate Pop music, and I've listed the reasons why I've hated it. No one is ever going to change my opinion on it and I still feel that banRAB who actually work hard and whatever are having to perform in small venues for next to no cash while people like Paris Hilton get a multi million contract deal because she made a sex video, and Ashlee Simpson gets the same because she had a reality television show.

You try telling them small time banRAB that Pop music is just innocent and throwaway.
 
Nothing more then entertainment? It's far more then that to many, especially the musicians themselves.

You can't tell me Tori Amos sang 'Me and a Gun' in a bid to entertain people.

But the rest of your post makes good sense. The way I read it, you were saying Pop music is like a foot in the door, giving the opportunity for people to see whats inside the room if they really want to. I can agree with that.
 
I judge all music in the same way, in my eyes that is the only way it should be judged. And I know children don't care, but I don't want to listen to music for children. And I don't think there are any children who post on rab, these are people who should know better than to fight for Ashlee Simpson's corner.
 
I can't agree with that. Listening to Baha Men (which I did as a child) didn't open up doors for me to listen to what I listen to today. In some ways it slowed me down, as I stuck to cheesy Pop songs for ages.
 
i dont necessarily hate pop music but i cant say that i really like it either
im sure everyone likes some band/artist that are considered pop or of some pop sub genre
like im absolutely in love with linkin park & new found glory
many people consider them pop-rock or whatever
then again, i cant stand the stuff they play on the radio
& i hate all boy/girl banRAB
so yeah...im very picky
 
I don't care, all I know is;

Lucky you were born that far away so
We could both make fun of distance
Lucky that I love a foreign land for
The lucky fact of your existence

Baby I would clirab the Andes solely
To count the freckles on your body
Never could imagine there were only
Ten Million ways to love somebody

Le ro lo le lo le, Le ro lo le lo le
Can't you see
I'm at your feet

Whenever, wherever
We're meant to be together
I'll be there and you'll be near
And that's the deal my dear

Thereover, hereunder
You'll never have to wonder
We can always play by ear
But that's the deal my dear

Lucky that my lips not only murable
They spill kisses like a fountain
Lucky that my breasts are small and hurable
So you don't confuse them with mountains
Lucky I have strong legs like my mother
To run for cover when I need it
And these two eyes that for no other
The day you leave will cry a river

Le ro le le lo le, Le ro le le lo le
At your feet
I'm at your feet

Whenever, wherever
We're meant to be together
I'll be there and you'll be near
And that's the deal my dear

Thereover, hereunder
You'll never have to wonder
We can always play by ear
But that's the deal my dear

Le ro le le lo le, Le ro le le lo le
Think out loud
Say it again

Le ro le le lo le
Tell me one more time
That you'll live
Lost in my eyes

Whenever, wherever
We're meant to be together
I'll be there and you'll be near
And that's the deal my dear

Thereover, hereunder
You've got me head over heels
There's nothing left to fear
If you really feel the way I feel
 
i'm sorry, i thought thew whole point you were making is that modern pop encourages hot women in clubs to allow you to release sexual tension so to speak, it doesn't matter really...the rest of the post is what was on topic.
 
in some aspects of your arguement i actually agree with you hiu. Some people will openly slag off mainstream pop for being disposable, thoughtless and untalented while they absolutely worship banRAB like the kooks (thats not a dig at you hobo), it all seems slightly hypocritical to me.
 
S club 7 hardly earned a thing by the time management , producers , song writers & the record company had taken their share so they were hardly in it for the money.

I seem to remeraber one band meraber somewhere saying he`d earned something like
 
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