Mr. Bungle? Meshuggah? Avant-Garde Metal!

You see, this is why I can't see it them doing it ONLY for the money.



I can't really limit myself to a favorite with patton's projects. sure, there are epic songs and albums, but to me, the whole package is where its at.
 
I may well be able to contribute to this thread to some extent but that would involve finding out whats classed as Avant-Garde metal first :D

I get so lost in genres and especially crossovers.
 
you're taking a quote that was published 9 years ago and probably stated well over a decade ago to quantify something that came about within the last few months?

there's a huge difference in a cash grab to be able to keep paying the bills necessary to create cool stuff and a cash grab to stuff your ego's butthole with dollar bills.
 
alright, you got me there - on the age of the article. and its not that I disagree with your cash grab opinion. I do to an extent, but I've theories of my own as well. I appreciate your brutal honesty; I suppose I'm just too optimistic. I'll admit it, it hurts to hear that such a band would stoop as low as to "stuff [their] ego's butthole with dollar bills." It's downright depressing to me and it's possible that I'm very much in denial. on that note, i'm going to go drink whiskey until i can't feel feelings anymore.
 
I much prefer Into The Pandemonium as per Avant Garde tendencies and that album has never really got the kudos it deserves, it's an imaganitive album.

I may chime in with a couple of reviews myself sometime.
 
Hahaha, yep, precisely! That band is damn awesome. I really want to see 'em again, the 7 of them ripping it up is a sight to see, especially on a small stage.


On Ephel Duath - I loved that band, until the latest album came out. I'll always be into their earlier work, but I just like to pretend that Through My Dog's Eyes doesn't exist.
 
hold on here i think we might be misinterpreting each other hehe

a FNM reunion to me is bill money. hell, as far as i know FNM has always been about paying the bills in Patton's eyes.

the butthole of money banRAB are the ones like KISS, who go on a reunion tour for years for no other reason than superficial adulation, or the Eagles, the Doors, etc. banRAB that do it because they want to show the world how it's supposed to be done, they way they did it back when they were cool.

as much as it pains me to say it, the current Jane's Addiction reunion strikes me the same way, although i'm thinking Eric Avery is pulling a Patton this time and using the reunion to continue being able to finance his solo releases.

it's just so many people hear 'cash grab' and automatically think in negative terms as if getting any sort of financial reward for a creative endeavor automatically compromises the integrity of the created art, and i think that's BS.

there's usually a little more at play than just holding onto ideals from a previous stage in an individual's development. it's not like there's ever an end point to personal growth so how can someone really dictate a view to be adhered too throughout their entire existence?

reunions will always be money based. the individual reasons for taking the money will determine if the reunion will amount to anything worthwhile.
 
A well-written and thoughtful post. I confess I don't have much patience for Mr. Bungle because by the time that I listened to Disco Volante I already had the misfortune of running across California, which I absolutely hate through and through; it forcibly reminded me of the latter years of FNM and everything that they turned into.

There ARE others like Mr. Bungle though. A clone through most of their work Dog Fashion Disco always caught the inevitable comparison to Mr. Bungle. It was only until their last album Adultery that they really put their songwriting shoes on, but I will swear by it until the day they cart me off to the nursing home that it is an awesome fucking record. Of course Todd Smith went off and started some new shit two man project but I will always have this to comfort me when things feel a little too normal.

Here's a review I wrote a little while ago...

http://www.rabroad.com/album-reviews/34569-dog-fashion-disco-adultery.html
 
So, I found out recently, through purchasing California that Carla Kihlstedt is a guest musician on the album. It surprised me at first, but makes so much sense, doesn't it? Anyone know of anymore guest musicians on this album?
 
I guess I would put both in that group, but maybe I'm not familiar enough with this genre. I only have a lot of experience with Bungle, and I hear many similarities. His last two solo projects are certainly experimental in my eyes...
 
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