Fair enough, it is true that pretentious intentions do not necessarily make music (or anything else) artistically bad. It does have quite a strong influence though on the opinion of listeners.
It's called unswerving self belief.
The very stuff that had them succeed in the first place.
It's certainly not delusion, although Liam is an idiot...I'll give you that.
Like it jackhammer!!!
Like that one. Get stuck in innit?
But I reckon townsend was unfairly treated.
He told the police he was doing it before.
And he was abused as Tommy and other work will tell you. Everyone knew he was abused as a kid even in the sixties and his songs reflect that. He informed the police before doing anything and they accepted it on inspection but that is a sorded topic that makes me upset and I will not comment on that.
Also that isn't really the issue about the band.
I agree with them been pretentious for smashing up stuff to get attention. totally agree. When I was a kid my mother said they only did it to get attention and I agree it was pretentious.
I'd put them up there.
Nothing wrong with pretentiousness.
U2 are great but I would say they were the most pretentious and some would say they don't back it up with the shows of concern.
I love the way you get stuck in and love debating with you lot.
I mean it like charity issues or religion or politics when they are doing for their own enRAB or they don't act out their worRAB.
Like sting when he flies so much.
Are you using babel fish or google?
ah ha ha!
Get back to the issue I raised man.
Your insults bounce off me like little kiRAB throwing mars bar wrappers at me from their skateboarRAB.
As to AlfreRAB comment I would say she is actually doing some good stuff but pretentious no.
Sting now, he flies all over and preaches green stuff.
I think pretentiousness is overall a good thing in music. I think of music more as escapism than poetry, which I know some people don't like. So overall, I like my music the same as my movies, relating more to fantasy than reality.
I like my movies, literature and video games with elves, fairies, dragons and ogres, so whats wrong with music that has elves, fairies, dragons and ogres?
Personal stuff? You will not find any personal antagonism from me at all. Merely a pointing out that you know absolutely nothing about music and an opinion that has been formed that you are narrow minded musically, therefore depriving yourself of music that may appeal to you.
I thought it was a fairly decent definition. 'Pretentious' is hard to define because people misuse it so much now, but some of those sub-definitions are correct. But I did clarify it in a music context anyway.