Mormons: without any arguing why do you accept the Mormon over the bible?

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A Man of the Nations

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Ok, last night I visited my dad. He is in the hospital. Turns out his wife is a Mormon and my dad is thinking about joining. I didn't have my bible with me. But I was able to defend and explain my beliefs from my personal studies of the bible. While his wife kept referring to the Mormon book but not directly. Almost as if saying well the mormon book says this.

Nothing from the bible! Also she told me that Adam and Eve had a preexistence in heaven prior to being put on Paradise. That is not the Genesis account but what the Mormon Book teaches.

I mean the story of Adam and Eve is Christianity 101. Why this warped belief? Anyway we had an awesome discussion. It felt though as I was doing all the teaching. I am going back Friday with my bible to back up what I am teaching. But this Mormon Book is a bit warped when compared to the Bible.
Jayden: That wasn't nice. Mormons are some of the most nicest people. Its just too bad because this book is pure nonsense when compared to the Bible.
TJ: Among this warped belief of Adam and Eve they also support the military. I having been part of that at one time know that the Armed Forces does not work out Gods Will. I simply cannot be part of a Religion that "can" blow away another member if their country is invaded.
King James wasn't even a Christian for one. So you best believe it has been corrupted.
Open Heart: My dad was delighted and so was she. This woman is not my mother. But she was so sweet and intelligent. But She was unable to even quote from their beloved Mormon Book.
 
I grew up a Mormon, so I am familiar with what they teach. I have heard mixed reviews of the Bible from different Mormons, but they all agree about two things:

"The Bible is the Word of God as long as it's been interpreted correctly."

"The King James Bible is preferred because it has seen the least corruption."
 
the LDS use both the bible and the BoM, as both contain the same gospel and the same teachings of the same God.

I agree with tjsg - and the references he has given for the pre-existence in the bible are good ones. Paulian writings and teachings also include the assumption of a pre-existence. it is also referenced in a variety of apocryphal christian writings (such as the gospel of Thomas).

in fact, study shows that the doctrine of the pre-existence was very active in early christianity, and was not lost until 543 AFTER the death (and resurrection) of Christ. this was due to the philosophical debates of leaders of christianity over statements made by Plato. these debates caused a break in christianity with one branch (Augustine's christians) adopting the idea of creation of both the universe and the soul from nothing (ex nihilo) and one (which was then termed pagan) adopting the idea of creation from chaos and the eternal nature of the soul....and both progressed then from there. the ideas of the 'new' christian religion were thus formed by Augustine's abandonment of the pre-existence doctrine which was made necessary by his acceptance of the idea of God as a Plato viewed Him - "essence or substance", and of creation ex nihilo, neither of which were present in the original Church.

given that revelation had ceased @ this point.....our Lord's gospel doctrine was abandoned in favor of the ideas of man - as many of the ecumenical councils accomplished --- the word of God had become corrupted by the philosophical pondering of mankind.

the LDS have an open canon and a living prophet of God. He provides His word and His teachings and clarifications on these teachings lost to His prophet - like He has done since the formation of this world. this unchanging God has NOT abandoned His children, but communicates with us still in the same manner as He has done.

as a side note: is the side of your father's sick bed really the place to have these discussions? perhaps they could wait until he is well and his wife is not tired and stressed as well?
 
We don't. We treasure them both equally. Do some research before you come on here and make these kind of accusations.

As for the rest of your rant: From your tone, it is hard for me to have an intelligent discussion with you about this. Mormons are always open to discuss faith and do it in a respectful manner. We are taught not to contend or mock other beliefs but to be respectful.

Best of luck to you.

Oh, and it is the Book of Mormon not "the Mormon" or "Mormon Book" or "mormon book".
 
I am LDS, and the Book of Mormon is ANOTHER testament of Jesus Christ, one of the four cornerstones of faith, those being 1)The Holy Bible, 2)The Book of Mormon, 3)The Pearl of Great Price,and 4)the Doctrine and Covenants.These are all Holy Writ. I hold these things to be self-evident. I know you would like to argue, as you had no problem doing so on someone's sickbed. You throw not one, not two, but three contentious statements out, but it takes two to argue and I decline.“He that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention. … This is my doctrine, that such things should be done away” (3 Ne. 11:29–30).
 
I am LDS, and the Book of Mormon is ANOTHER testament of Jesus Christ, one of the four cornerstones of faith, those being 1)The Holy Bible, 2)The Book of Mormon, 3)The Pearl of Great Price,and 4)the Doctrine and Covenants.These are all Holy Writ. I hold these things to be self-evident. I know you would like to argue, as you had no problem doing so on someone's sickbed. You throw not one, not two, but three contentious statements out, but it takes two to argue and I decline.“He that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention. … This is my doctrine, that such things should be done away” (3 Ne. 11:29–30).
 
Two words: We don't. We accept the Bible and read it. It doesn't sound like you know much or even have read the Book of Mormon.

As for everything else, you're mighty skewed. And where in the world do you get all your ideas? You do realize that a lot of us have loved ones in the "Military" Mormons support their loved ones in the Armed Forces. As for the rest of your diatribe, Mormons are free to think how they want on matters of Government and Military. I certainly don't believe that BS you just stated.

Of course the Bible "has been corrupted" and King James was a Christian....oh you're one of those people, who claims that someone who doesn't worship the way "you think" isn't a Christian. It's all becoming clear to me how you regard Mormons. *Sighs* I give up trying to convince you otherwise.
 
I do not argue or debate as you so freely do on this forum. I accept the Book of Mormon as true scripture that was translated one time by a called prophet of God. Jesus Christ is the main focus in this set of scripture and it is a companion to the Holy Bible (notice the correct capitalization method used).

The pre-mortal existence is found in the Bible and in the Book of Mormon and other modern revelation (Doctrine and Covenants).

I simply state my peace here because I will not debate or argue as you are so willingly able to do at your father's bedside in the hospital. I wish him good health, however.

All you are doing is fighting the Spirit of the Lord to manifest the truth to you that both the Bible and the Book of Mormon are holy scriptures.
 
I am mormon and I have never accepted the Book of Mormon OVER the BIble(KJV). More like I accept it as a companion book that clarifies and expounds upon what is written in the Bible. The Book of Mormon stands as another testament of Jesus Christ and the works and miracles He performed. I would highly suggest that you look into this religion. Go to lds.org or mormon.org and see exactly what and who they are.
 
Mormons believe that God's word is contained in BOTH the Bible and the Book of Mormon. One does not override the other. They are BOTH the word of God and they BOTH witness of Jesus Christ.

One is God's words to his children in the Old World, and the other is God's word to his children in the New World continent. They both go hand in hand in bearing witness of Jesus Christ.

The Bible itself even refers to the Book of Mormon coming forth.

Look in Ezekial 37:16, 19

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
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19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.


"Sticks" or writings mentioned here, come from the tribe of Judah (Jews of Israel--the Bible) and the stick or writings of the tribe of Joseph (Book of Mormon descendents come from this tribe interestingly enough) and these two sticks or books are prophesized here to come together to be "in one hand." Or in other words, to join together to preach of Christ.
 
The Book of Mormon is a companion to the Bible. They compliment one another and testify of each other.
Ezekiel speaks of the stick of Judah and the stick of Joseph. They will be one in our hand. That is a direct reference to the Bible, the stick of Judah, and the Book of Mormon, the stick of Joseph. We learn in the B of M that the people of that book were descendants of Joseph, both branches, Ephraim and Manasseh. Thus, the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy is found in the B of M.
John speaks of another angel flying through heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to all the earth. We see that as being Moroni bringing the lost record of his people to the earth through Joseph Smith resulting in The Book of Mormon. John also speaks of other sheep which are not of this fold, meaning Jerusalem. When Christ visited America, he told the people there that they were the other sheep whom he referred to in Jerusalem.
Are there differences between the two records? Of course there are because it covers the religious history of two groups of people. While there are many similarities because Christ wants both groups to have the same gospel truths, the presentation may be slightly different. Along with that, we have the issue of multiple translations going into the Bible, causing some passages to be lost or mistranslated, whereas the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift of revelation from God once into English and from there into the other languages of the world.
The point being that we believe the B of M to be more correct in its translation and gospel presentation than the Bible because the information is closer to the source. Nevertheless, we still hold the Bible as scripture and teach from it just as much as from the other. Your step-mother may not know the scriptures well enough to show you the right passages, but believe me, the gospel as taught in the LDS faith is very Biblical in every aspect, depending upon your perspective. You have to admit that most passages are subject to multiple interpretations. That is why we rely upon revelation to show us the correct interpretation. Not only are the two volumes of scripture compatible but they do indeed back each other up.
 
Thanks for the question. You almost sound like a few friends of mine on this site too, some that have similar questions. I pray my explanation makes some sense for you.

1. I will freely admit that sometimes the common church membership culture focuses more on the Book of Mormon, then the Bible--even though this is not what the church leadership does. If anything, the church leadership references the Bible far more frequently then the Book of Mormon.

This sometimes leads to the belief others have that we as LDS don't value the Bible--which is totally erroneous.

2. Adam and Eve and the "pre-existence." There are Biblical references to a spiritual existence before we were born. If there is such an existence, it seems fair to believe that Adam and Eve would have been there too, along with all of us. Below are some links that show a lot of these sources, but the most well-known of them is Jer. 1:5. Also many times the Bible talks of Christ and "before the foundation of the world", which we believe to be a direct reference to this pre-mortal existence.

If you have any other questions about this, please feel free to shoot me an email.

Thanks!

EDIT: After reading the Book of Mormon myself, I soon discovered it wasn't nearly as nonsensical as I was lead to believe. It correlates with the Bible and what the Bible teaches.
 
Mormons beleive that the Bible is the word of God. Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon is also the word of God. Mormons believe that God has not stopped talking to us and that God gives us current revelation. See Amos 3:7 in the BIBLE (of all places, sarcasm intended).
 
so if you believe th e bible cannot provide you with rhema then how can you use it against a mromon?! This seems contridictory to me?!
Anyways. They beleive that in order for adam and eve to progress to go from man to god they had to disobey God and obey satan, this is one reason why I left the LDS church. And why would a god in the makign need a savior when they cand save themselves.
They also believe that adam and eve had no blood flowing thru their system until they ate the fruit. Its aon LDS .org for LDS who have never heard this, email me and I will find the link for ya.
You need to look into the book of abraham, it distorts the garden of eden story as well.
 
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