"Mobile Suit Gundam 00" on Sci Fi's Ani-Monday Series Talkback (Spoilers)

Ali: "I can kill you, but I'm going to let you get into your mecha instead!"

What is Ali, a Bond Villain? Just shoot the guy!

Wow, Nena VA is great!

So, Ali hijacks the other Gundam to kill the other guy.

Well, looks like Nena got her just desserts. Nena blows up a wedding, and she sees her bros die. Happy Everyone!?
 
Oop, forgot about that. Yeah, there's Ali. He's pretty sneaky with his actions, which, so far, has made him seem more like a cockroach that pops out of nowhere at the worst time. A slick-talking cockroach.
 
People dying left and right? Check. Big battle in space? Check. Yup, we've definitely reached the end of a Gundam series (or, in this case, season). Hmm, I actually thought most of them were going to make it right to the end, but I guess the two Thrones' deaths opened up the floodgates. Though, they did try for a bunch of fakeouts, but then we get their actual deaths when they get caught in giant explosions.

Also, Scott McNeil was on fire tonight as Ali. Man, he really took control of that character. Some of the other VAs were pretty good tonight, as well.
 
This takes customization into the realm of the grotesque.

"So, we're alive?"

Christine has trouble grasping the obvious.
 
These two episodes are really what define Gundam 00 as a wholly different Gundam series than everything else before it. The fact that Gundam 00 has science fiction consultants in the staff (SEED and SEED Destiny definitely didn't have that) is probably part of the reason why we're getting logical explanations for everything from Soma's psychadelic freakout to how the orbital elevators were constructed. There's a sense of plausability underneath the proceedings that gives everything in Gundam 00 extra weight. The fact that Lockon even has to ask Setsuna to shove clouRAB out of the way shows that they are all human, despite their incredible equipment.

Gundam 00, is, at its heart, the Gundam series I've always wanted and yet it is also far, far, gloriously different.

"Saji, you idiot! You have to rescue me properly!" Louise, don't you have other things to worry about, like falling into the atmosphere?

Ali's English voice pwns the Japanese. Scott McNeil channels pure menace into the character that the Japanese didn't.

I love Lisa Ann Beley's Sumeragi, and I never thought I would say that. Beley is close to magnificent in the role.

Everyone in general is growing into their roles. There's a couple of parts I wish were better voiced, but at least no one is as bad as Rebecca Forstadt's Nunnally in Code Geass.

This is truly a sci-fi classic. I hope you succeed in getting people to watch this, Ty.
 
Okay, dub reviewing first. I must be watching a different show from what some people saw, because I'm still liking the dub. Certainly not a decline from the first week. The Meisters are pretty much right where I want them. Setsuna and Lockon are fine as-is, Tieria's excellent voice actually got better, and unfortunately I'm still apparently in the minority that likes Alleujah's voice. Some apparently want him to come off as sounding super polite and going out of his way to avoid confrontation as though he were the next Quatre, but I'm pretty pleased with what we've got. The dub voice is quiet but also fairly confident and introspective. It'd be one thing if he were giving off the same vibe as Tieria or even Lockon, but he isn't.

Graham's voice can be good, even really good. 80% to 90% of his lines are satisfying to hear. I adored his line about how his appointment to the anti-Gundam squad must be fate. His casual voice is fine, and when he's talking to Billy or making comments in episode four the voice fits great. But that opening scene in episode 3 was weak. Paul Dobson ought to remeraber what he sounded like in episode four and in the latter part of episode 3, and then copy exactly that for the rest of the series. But that faux yelling really, really doesn't cut it. Get rid of it, and dub Graham is A-OK. On other Union voices, Billy improved by a lot. Eifman sounRAB exactly like what I expected. The Flag Fighters are solid, I'm a fan of the dubbed Howard Mason.

Saji could be better, but then again maybe this fits Saji as he is in this season--young, decent, nice, fairly naive. He may be a student, but he's still basically a boy who's only now discovering the real world. Kinue's voice is a perfect fit. With Louise, they definitely seem to be casting her as assertive and a bit self-absorbed without making her out as a brat. I'd say that in Japanese she's undoubtedly a brat more often than not, but quite frankly I'll gladly take the dub interpretation instead.

Marina's consistent, I'm quite happy. Shirin--what the heck? Who is playing her? She's unexpectedly the standout performance this week.

Sergei is still so-so, though when he's serious the voice gets better. Soma is another case of being more or less what I imagined she would sound like in English. At this point in the show she's sort of like a female Setsuna, and that certainly comes across. I'm interested to see how Tabitha St. Germain handles the character going forward.

The CB crew in brief: I agree that Sumeragi seems to have gotten further away from the Captain Ramius voice. I really liked her dialogue with Tieria about the victory drink. "I respectfully decline." "You're no fun." It's a little moment but Sumeragi has lots of little moments like those that give you a feel for the character, and Lisa Ann Beley keeps delivering them so well. Wang stayed fine, and I agree with the positive reviews about Alejandro. Lasse sounded good. Lichtendahl wasn't good, but he's a bit character anyway.

There may be some shortcomings, but I really think this deserves better than comparisons to the Japanese. It's not an uncommon dub-related complaint, but there's always going to be some differences between the English acting and the nuances of the Japanese voices. Yet I think that on the whole, they've pretty much nailed down the atmosphere that you're supposed to be feeling. As I've said at times in the past, I don't need allegiance to the Japanese. Just give me a voice that I can believe fits the character I'm watching. So far, dub 00 has done that for me. Frankly, so far, I'd say this is the best Gundam dub since at least the release of Char's Counterattack in 2002.

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My review on the content of this week--please, no time paradox jokes.

First, I have some obligatory griping about Sci-Fi--it's great that they are airing 00, but some of their time edits annoyed me this week. The way they cut into Setsuna's imagination of destruction around him was way too sudden, much more than it will be in the uncut version. Also, they seem to have left out the short moment where Alejandro Corner's sidekick Ribbons approaches Hong Long at the bar after the show cuts away from Corner's conversation with Wang. Considering that said moment lasts all of roughly 3 seconRAB, I'm at something of a loss there. It isn't important, but Ribbons doesn't get seen much either.

For me, the standout episode this week is definitely episode four. The third one is good, but it's basically setup and another chance to show us just how powerful the Gundams are. To this day, I still like 00's Sci-Fi setting. Unlike other series in the Gundam franchise space colonies a new innovation and still under construction, aided by the orbital elevators. I also still enjoy how there are "trains" into outer space. Very cool.

Moving on though, about Foreign Negotiations. The whole Taribia affair demonstrates that Celestial Being is surprisingly pragmatic. They probably chose the best course of action in this episode, but they also picked the smart one. They could have attacked the Union forces and won, but by doing so they would've picked a fight with the entire Union. They also would've been forced to intervene on Taribia's behalf again, most likely. Also, Saji is wrong about their decision not making much sense. It is literally true that Taribia's declaration was what instigated the incoming war, and Celestial Being's pledge was to target anyone who fostered armed conflict. Celestial Being's decision stopped a war before it started, and the organization showed that they won't take on a bigger fight than necessary even though they could have fought the bigger fight and probably won. Sumeragi absolutely made the correct call.

One final thing. For the record, a significant difference between 00 and Gundam Wing is now obvious at this point. In Wing, destroying the capability of others to make war is a big theme. Here Celestial Being doesn't seem to care about disarmament or they would've pulled a Wufei, attacked the Union, and destroyed as many mobile suits as possible. In contrast, Celestial Being is picking only necessary fights and are hoping to basically intimidate the world into not using military might. Their method is simply to demonstrate to the world that it has far more to lose by fighting than it can possibly hope to gain.

For the moment the world hasn't learned this lesson, considering that the Union and HRL are forming anti-Gundam squaRAB. Down the road, however......as Sergei noted, there is no mobile suit in the world that can stand up to a Gundam in a head-on fight.
 
I don't think so, at least not yet. I certainly don't see it on the 00 website or on Bandai's main website. It'll also be interesting to see if they'll put episodes on iTunes like they have with other shows that have aired on Sci-Fi.
 
Oh, haha. Him. Totally forgot about him.

Also, you'd be surprised at people with cybernetic bodies in that timeframe. He probably had to have it for medical reasons, and just didn't want to share with anyone. It was like his own dirty little secret, you know?

Also, they weren't directly hit with it. They probably jumped behind something on the bridge, so it shielded them from the bulk of the blast.
 
I don't see a very good case that Nena is unaware of her actions. She's piloting a Gundam, she's supposedly on a mission to eradicate war, and she certainly has the brains to know that guns kill people. She even makes a "time to die" comment in the episode. She knows what she did, she just doesn't care. So I would say that there is indeed a right to dislike her. When characters do evil and are shown to be incapable of remorse or unaware that what they're doing *is* evil, the natural thing to do is to regard them as villains.
 
Pfft, Setsuna is obviously trying to pick up chicks by bragging about being a Gundam pilot. And since she fell to the ground because she was too awestruck, it's working for him.

Anyway, nice set of episodes. Though, I guess I was expecting too much from the ending of the second episode, because I was hoping there might be a catch behind the Gundams taking out the terrorists, like fake info or something to screw them over.
 
So Gundam finally returns to American TV. Love the story and characters for this one so far with a few callbacks to Gundam Wing in particular (a small group of Gundam pilots sent to Earth by a Dekim Barton lookalike, one of the pilots speaking in cold monotone). Brad's pretty good at emulating Heero Yuy. And it's nice to hear Scott McNeill again after his one-shot turn in Seed; and unlike that show, 00 gets into the action very early. And best of all, no sappy love songs (hopefully).

Yay, Haro!
 
I would tend to agree, in one sense....you can definitely tell that the staff had planned things out quite well, and the established world is, if not necessarily realistic (one could briefly rant about, say, the whole "borabing drug plantations" scene in an earlier episode as a possible nitpick of a very minor issue that was under-researched), far more nuanced and internally consistent than what is usually the case even in Gundam or most mecha series for that matter.

00 is certainly much better executed than its immediate predecessors, even when it's not exactly completely removed from the old Gundam tropes, since they're used in new or at least interesting ways and with more coherence. That's always a good way to build credibility within the limits of suspension of disbelief.

Can't honestly comment on what's been going on with the dub voices for the latest episodes just yet, but I hope they are indeed improving as earlier comments have indicated.
 
On jokes- it might partly be the fact that week after week this thread has been joke after joke for seemingly even the most important or darkest of plot points. When that gets done every week with everything in the show, it's difficult to laugh when people continue it as the tension really mounts.
 
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