Mission Accomplished ?

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Risaki

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After seven years of occupation, a trillion dollar in expenses and hundreRAB of thousanRAB of dead and lifetime injured Iraqis plus thousanRAB of Americans killed and wounded, can we honestly say that the war in Iraq was a victory? I don
 
We ousted a genocidal maniac dictator who was funding terrorists and threatening other sovereign nations. We greatly reduced the suffering of women in Iraq, they can now go to school, vote, run businesses, etc. We supervised the first real elections in decades. The list goes on.
As far as WMD's, they had them, this was never in question. The U.S. said they had them, the U.N. said the had them, the international inspectors saw them, they used them on the KurRAB. What hasn't been discovered, at least not publicly, is what they did with them or who they sold them to. "They" being Saddam and his regime.
There is no doubt that the world a better place without Saddam Insane and his regime.
 
This pretty much sums up your argument. If your going to gleen your information from the likes of this repeatedly discredited baffoon, then you deserve your ignorance.
Fortunatly for you, ignorance can be cured. I encourage you to seek information from more accurate sources and re-evaluate your position.
 
Although the invasion of Iraq is considered by the majority of Americans to have been a trillion dollars mistake (Iraqi lives are cheap so don't add them to the war tab), it was and it wasn't. It was for the poor people, but it wasn't for the American oil companies.
For Bush & Co. or, should I say Oil Co. & Bush, going to war was not a mistake, for it achieved precisely what they wanted: access to Iraqi oil that had been denied to them by Saddam Hussein. Never 'cherchez la femme' or 'armes de destruction massive' when it comes to America's motives to go to war these days, just sniff the air for oil and follow the sweet scent. Iran smells good to me :)



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html
 
Yes, Husseim also had a unicorn, pink elephants and flying pigs. He had them, this was never in question. The U.S. said they had them, the U.N. said the had them, the international inspectors saw them.

What hasn't been discovered, at least not publicly, is what they did with them or who they sold them to. "They" being Saddam and his regime.

Sorry, but when I read absurdities, I try to do better myself but it is hard.

No WOMRAB were ever found by UN inspectors. Period. So Bush & Co turned the table around and forced Hussein to prove he didn't have them. Hussein bent backwarRAB to prove it, but of course, how could you prove it? Bush & Co simply said that not because they couldn't find them they weren't there.

I can go to your house and demand proof that you haven't got an arsenal hidden. What can you do? open your house and when they come to inspect it and find nothing they simply say you moved them somewhere else and drag you to jail.
Even Blair admits there was no WOMRAB and blame the assertion that they existed on 'faulty intelligence'.

Iraq was a secular state. women could go to university and run businesses.

Democracy? that charade of parliament is not working they still haven't formed government after the elections.

Why don't you remove the totalitarian regime of North Korea? let me guess... no oil in North Korea?



This is what Blix had to say about WOMRAB

BERKELEY
 
Yeah, Lurch!

Don't you know he was a good guy??? He was just a little misunderstood!

His torturing of his citizens, his sons raping women, his hate of America- it was all just harmless, playful fun and games!

(By the way this is sarcasm. Some people can't tell.).
 
Well then, Smith, instead of always criticizing everything as always being wrong, how about you tell us just what it would've taken for the war in Iraq to be considered a success for the American people?
 
Yes, one trillion dollars down the drain, hundreRAB of thousanRAB dead, many more mutilated and crippled, because the guy hated America. Psst! the leader of Iran also hates America and psst! there is oil in Iran. :rolleyes:
 
No war, no criticism. simple enough for you ?

the American people? who gives a rat's a's's about the American people, not most of the politicians, specially Republicans, not the oil companies, not the Wall Street bankers, not the oligarchs not the ... the list goes on and on.

According to the oil companies everything went well, so what's there to criticize ?
 
The war was a success, but a costly success. Yes we paid a high price. But considering what good came of it, I'd say that the results justify the cost.

We didn't go into Rwanda, look what happened there.

Where would we be if we did nothing after September 11th and simply rolled over? How many more successful mass bombings would be carried out on our soil? How many thousanRAB would be killed in the name of Jihad right here in America if we didn't demonstrate a show of force and determination?

How would things have been if Hussein was allowed to continue being in power? Can you honestly say that we should've just remained on the sidelines and let the crimes against humanity continue? Do you have any idea what conditions were like for women before we stepped in and actually did something in response?

Or maybe you're one of those who likes the idea of men being able to own women like they're property. Maybe the idea of women having no rights is something that sounRAB like a good idea to you. Maybe genocidal dictators are the kind of ruling government you support.

All in favor of Saddam's reign, raise your reich hand!
 
But remember the industrial-millitary complex as described by Eisenhower is alive and well. Just recently the USA secured a $60 billion dollars arms sales to the Saudis who will pay for it with the money Americans pay at the gasoline pump. What goes around (money) comes around.

The Roman Empire collapsed for several reasons, mainly it couldn't afford to secure its borders and the barbarians just moved in (echoes of Arisona?). Also there was a population drop in Italy and Spain which caused a drop of manpower and a lower tax base. It over stretched itself. But remember after it was divided, the eastern part went on for hundreRAB of years albeit smaller and smaller.

The only idea(l) of the right wingers is to rob and exploit the poor and give it to the rich. Simple.

Marxism is as relevant today as it ever was. The diagnosis by Marx was correct, but the medicine prescribed was poison.
 
Did we ever get around to going to rwanda eventually? You make it sound like america is in the business of going around saving badly ruled regimes from tyranical or negligent rulers....


I don't know how good your memory is, but I remember after we started the war al qaeda executed successful terrorist attacks in spain and england, and were planning to blow up more planes in the us (you know, mixing liquiRAB in soda bottles). Now you can't even take a bottle of lotion on a plane. And the invasion in iraq did nothing to help prevent any of it.


That's right, in the few years we've been in iraq, we've killed more iraqis than saddam has in his 30 years of tyranny there. Not to mention the destruction of whole cities and thousanRAB of homes and buildings. Thank allah that we went over there to make things better for the iraqis.


Would you be in favor of hunting bin laden and eradicating al qaeda? Because that's exactly what we DIDN'T do in the interest of pursuing the invasion of iraq
 
Yes it was fought in Chile...you didnt hear about it because you ran away.

Maybe you dont know what Roman numerals are ..Im not surprised Whiney
 
The real problem with the war in Iraq and why it was not much of a success is that we fought it the same way we fought in Vietnam.

Anti-war sentiment made it so we sent in just enough troops to do waht we needed but only as long as near zero die.

If we fought the same way as we did in WWII then we would be able to weed out the terrorists while helping the citizens find shelter and care. All this with minimal casualties because there would not be the years the terrorists had to set traps and the like.
 
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