Minority opinions you have about animation

The reason for this (I think) stems from the fact that the majority of TV shows and movies are written and produced by men. Most TV shows are written by men about boys, so most of them end up having a male outlook by default. Girl characters tend to be either secondary love interests or annoying sisters, while women are either portrayed as being perfect beyond belief, or they are hardly characterized enough to even register a blip on the radar. In most family comedies, the mother will either be boringly sensible, or will be written out of the story early on. They will either have conveniently died before the show/movie has started (Hanna Montana), or it will be a case like on Out of Jimmy's Head where Jimmy's goofy dad gets to appear in every episode, while Jimmy's mom (who is one of my favorite characters on the show) is downgraded to making only guest appearances in only a few episodes. Somehow, the idea of Dad and the kids running around having tons of wacky adventures while Mom is intentionally and routinely left out of the fun somehow strikes me as being even more offensive then the total absence of a mother from the program/movie. Just because female characters (girls, women and moms) are more of a challenge to write for than male characters, that doesn't mean that no one should ever try to.

Hey, this is the thread for minority opinions, after all.
 
Superman:TAS was better than Batman:TAS.
The Cadmus arc of JLU was boring.
Most of the show on Cartoon Network these days are trash.
Gargoyles is a dull show.
All Adult Swim original programs are stupid and not funny.
Evangelion IS overrated.
Dragonball and Dragonball Z are great anime series and do not have draged out pacing at all.
AU Gundam series like Seed, Wing and G are superior to UC Gundam series like MSG and Zeta.
 
Why dost thou speakth so?:eek:

On a more,ahem,not Shakespearean note.It doesn't matter how great a show is if it doesn't attract it's target audience.When a situation likes this occurs the show is deemed underrated and in the 'minority'.All my life I've gone along with what's mostly popular,now I'm sorta branching and now following what's not completely over-hyped or even whats just semi-popular.Also,FG can be funny.
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Wouldn't the solution to that be getting women writers for those shows. :sweat: When I write something, I usually make girls a bit tomboyish so yeah, you have a point with what you're saying.
 
My opinions:

American Dad is not funny.

Most Anime is overrated, I like some anime' but, I'll never understand whats so great about DBZ, Naruto, or One Piece they all look like one big mess that never ends.

Spongebob has passed it's prime, it should've have ended a long time ago.

South Park is not funny. I don't get it, the voices suck, it's ugly, and its not funny

Disney hasn't made a good cartoon since the 90s, Kim Possible is the exception.

King of the Hill is not funny, and it's ugly.


I have a lot more but I can't think of anymore right now.
 
Let's see what I can come up with:

- I found Megas XLR to be not funny at all. I tried to give the show a chance, but most of the jokes just simply weren't funny and most of the parodies in the show weren't really parodies, just homages. And I liked the pilot.

- The Larry Doyle Looney Tunes theatrical shorts were not as bad as some have said. In fact, most of them were pretty good and deserved to be shown in theaters. So what if most of the writers were from sitcom-type shows? As long as they were funny, that's what matters to me.

- Japan really needs to take a break of adapting H games into anime shows. It just seems like a lack of creativity on their part.

- I don't like Spongebob at all. I'll admit some of the jokes can be funny at times, but I can't sit down and watch an episode without doing other stuff.

- For the most part, I don't like the Transformers series. I didn't like G1 or G2, couldn't get into Beast Wars or RiD, hated Armada, and couldn't get into Energon or Cybertron. I did like the live-action movie and I think Transformers: Animated is okay so far.

- Barring a couple of bad episodes and mistiming of certain jokes, I think Family Guy is as strong as ever. I'm glad it came back.

- American Dad is a good series. I think it's compared unfairly to FG when it's own different show. I think the show will get its due soon, just like Futurama when it got popular and people stopped comparing it to The Simpsons.

- The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is an overrated show. I liked it, but the fanbase has made the show much bigger than it should have been.

- Afro Samurai was one of the best anime shows that came out of 2007. The five episodes(so far) were some of the most fun and enjoyable episodes I've seen in an anime since Samurai Champloo.

- Dragonball and Dragonball Z are classic shows. Yes, the show has flaws but, then what show perfect?

- Dragonball GT isn't that bad of a show. Sure, the first 20 or so episodes are boring, but once the Baby arc kicks up, the show becomes as enjoyable as DBZ at times.
 
  • CG animation is not the enemy, nor is it going to replace traditional hand drawn animation. It's just another art form. No more a threat to the status quo than claymation or stop motion animation.
  • Rugrats is one of the most overrated cartoon series of all time.
  • The rent arcs of One Piece and Bleach are way too long. The producers should just release these sagas as movies.
  • Animation needs more ethnic protagonists, preferably ones who are well rounded characters and not just stereotypes.
 
"Mike, Lu and Og" is the worst, absolute piece of crap CN has EVER done. It's worse than anything that's currently on the network. CN has gone to great lengths to pretend the show never existed, and pfft, can you blame them? It was the only Cartoon Cartoon that had no fan following. Seriously. I have yet to see anyone who actually supported the show, let alone have it among their favorites.

And yes, this is a minority opinion. The reason why it is is because the show is highly overlooked. Vaguely anyone remembers it because it aired for a very short period of time. The show aired (26 episodes), then reruned for a while before taken off the schedule forever.

The show also felt weird in comparison to the other Cartoon Cartoons. While every show back in that time was cleverly written and had very good use of humor, this one felt extremely preachy, corny, not to mention the huge amount of cliched plots that plagued it. It didn't feel like something from CN at all. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!

I think I'll go as far as saying that it's worse than any Nicktoon or Disney Animation. I mean it. The show sucked.
 
For some reason, that made me laugh.

Anyway, I don't know how much this opinion is held, but I think that adult animation should cease to exist until someone's willing to expand beyond the sitcom genre. Only a few shows really make that work and, at the same time, have legitimate reasons for being animated.
 
because i like the shows that exist now and if they start changing the makers then the shows may be different somehow, it could be better OR it may not be as intertaining as before. so wouldnt it be beter to seperate them so they would crater to different audiences (their perspective genders).
 
Minority opinions of mine:

-I always felt that Teen Titans was severely castrated to the point that it could have been much more than the product we were given.
-I can NEVER get into shounen anime. I can't stand Naruto, although I watched the first four episodes of Bleach, the next episode I saw I just turned off. I think One Piece is amazingly imaginative and fun, but I can never commit myself to watching the show.
-Loonatics had its merits, despite what little it had.
-I think action shows are severely castrated as well if they do not say the words 'kill' and 'die'. Granted overkill of the lines (no pun intended) is not wanted, but I don't like it when some shows sometimes skirt around mentioning it.
-Tom Goes to the Mayor is high art and can help cure your racism. Believe it.
 
I agree that if there were more women writers and women directors, there would undoubtedly be greater parts for females. After all, writers write what they know. But the question is: how do we get more women interested in writing/directing?

I wish that so much of TV and movies wasn't always so gender specific. Myself, I try not to bog my own work down as being strictly for one group (gender, race, age, ethnicity). I at least try to work as extensively with females as I do with males. I do the best that I can as a male who's in touch with his feminine side.:sweat:
 
-Chuck Jones is overrated. His drawing style was hard on the eyes and many of his best cartoons were watchable, but nothing special. Clampett Pwns him and that's my word.

-Real Adventures of Jonny Quest is perhaps the most underrated cartoon of the last two decades. When it was at its best it was amazing.

-Evangelion is kind of overrated, but still on my list of greatest cartoons ever.

-Animaniacs is overrated and they wasted alot of its potential on certain skits. It would have been alot better as a primetime show because they had to tone down its humor for the censors.

-The potential for the earlier X-Men pilot was some of the best animation that came out of the 1980's. Not just animation on TV, I'm talking about theater animation as well. Only Thundercats' animation even competes (of course the animators would flock to Miyazaki to create Studio Ghilibi.)

-Ariel is the most overrated looking of all the "Disney Babes." Yes this is a geek argument, but it needs to be said because many will make that proclamation. In my opinion she is just above average looking, nothing special. Jazmine, Esmeralda, and of course Pocahontas OWNS her like Tony Montana owned the world. In reality Pocahontas is a Halle Berry while Ariel is a Giselle, the overrated looking woman...speaking of looking good...

-If it weren't for the female character designs on all of the Marathon shows (Totally Spies, Martin Mystery, That space crap show), it would be a worthless studio because their shows suck-didily-ucks Flanders. The stories are crappy, so illogical, and so not funny that it makes me want to fly over to France and slap them in the face for wasting my time.Their crown jewel, Totally Spies, maybe the worst show in the history of cartoons to have gained popularity. Some of the most inane writing in history. But because the women look lovely and the animators sneak in fanservice it is a hit among alot of men. But mark my words they wouldn't get far without their gimmicks.

-Of the original Nicktoons Doug was better than both Ren & Stimpy and Rugrats.

-The 80s was the most underrated decade in the history of animation. Inspector Gadget, Voltron, Macross-Robotech, Garfield, TMNT, Ducktales, Thundercats, Danger Mouse, Dragonball. That's an impressive list of shows that was produced in the decade my friends.

-The Film Festival/ Jay Sherman episode of The Simpsons is one of its very best episodes.
 
While some realistic toons are in my opinion are welcomed for diversity sakes, there are some benefits to animation that live action and special effects don't offer:

- You don't have to get rid of a character if the actor takes leave, as it's easier to find someone with a similar voice than similar appearance (Billy West for one does a pretty good Phil Hartman for Futurama).

- Even with SFX it is easier still easier to make some scenes rather than filming real people doing them.

- Aside from papercut and lead poisoning, there's no physical risk in animation.

- For comicbook superhero adaptations, you don't have to tone down the comicbook aspects as animation is like drawing the panel of a comic, only with the picture moving. Thus the colorful costumes work.

Going back to special effects, it's a lot easier from what I understand to draw Spider-Man's webswinging as opposed to having a stuntman do it.
 
I agree with all of these (in fact, I said the same thing about Metalocalypse earlier on). The band members themselves, especially Toki and Murderface, are hilarious, but the violence... lets face it, if the band's fans were killing themselves and each other at the rate shown, there'd be none left by now.
 
The Dragonball franchise is dulled by lengthy internal monologuing and fight sequences that take forever to get going. It's like watching soccer: after 90 minutes and still no action.

The characterization in most of the anime I've seen is either juvenile (spazzes) or disturbing (pedophilia). I enjoyed Cowboy Bebop, Afro Samurai, & The Big O. Most other titles bring out the hater in me...and I don't like hatin'.

Spongebob is another spaz show...though I do like Squidward.
 
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