Minority opinions you have about animation

Some opinions I have that not many agree with.....

"Drawn Together" is not funny AT ALL....Neither is "Ren and Stimpy"....In fact,both are kind of gross...

"King of the Hill" is extremely underrated.....All I ever hear about is how unfunny it is {I find it hilarious},or that it's pointless to be animated,since the series could easily be done in live-action {personally,I love it's animation style,and feel live-action couldn't do the dream sequences/hallucinations anywhere near as well}...

"Pocahontas" is underrated.....Again,all I ever hear is about how it's boring {I love the story and the songs},or people complaining about how it's not historically accurate {1. I've never seen anything saying that says Disney claims it is,just that it was based on the legend of Pocahontas....
2. Noone ever seems to complain about Fox's Anastasia,which was also based on someone who actually existed}...
 
Agreed.
- Bodily function jokes.
- Characters rambling on for a whole minute or two, therefore by taking so long, the gag has to be funny.
-Pop Culture references, one shoved in your face after another.

What else is there to Family Guy?
 
Family Guy peaked when it was getting slaughtered by Friends im primetime.

I have no desire whatsoever to see Class of the Titans or any other non-Japanese import solely because it's not Japanese.

King of the Hill with a few tweaks could have been a live-action show easily on the level with Office Space (it's still a good show that I tune in for when it's on)

The Simpsons movie proved the Simpsons writers are capable of good writing, but at this point they're in it for distance and longevity, not writing.

Reconstructionist shows are always more fun than deconstructionist ones. (Ex- GaoGaiGar and Gurren Lagann were a lot more fun than Evangelion).
 
Akira is fully animated, I think.



That's a matter of opinion though. Big budgets don't automatically mean good storytelling or "artistic" relevance, however broad a term you want to use it in. I think plenty of anime are more innovative and relevant, artistically, than some of Ghibli's stuff.

To be honest, I find Ghibli to be going down the same path as Disney and so many other Hollywood animated productions. By-the-numbers stuff that appeals to the masses without any deviation from a set number of parameters whatsoever.

Here's my complaint about animation: We haven't progressed much, socially, since the early 90s. We're still seeing the same stuff over and over. TV sitcom cartoon satires about families are still the biggest hits TV animation can produce. Even Pixar's stuff, good and well produced as they are, are merely this decade's version of Disney's glory years of strong family entertainment and nothing more. Anything different is relegated to the backlot of 10 screen openings and then straight to DVD. Ultimately, it's the fault of the masses though. They seem to be unable to embrace anything outside their comfort zone.

And another complaint I have is when people say animation has so many possibilities, but then when someone does a story that doesn't fit into most people's parameters of animation, people say, "You shouldn't do that with animation." Or "This should be live action."

Well here's a thought for you. With all the advances in special effects now which aid live action movies, what is the point of animation anymore, under this specific restriction of what constitutes "proper" animation?
 
Here's a few.

Despite all the hatred an established franchise gets for going on in a weird tangent, it's still better than letting a franchise stagnate and decay.

Loonatics was an awful idea, but it was still a better one than letting Mickey Mouse be used for nothing but parody at the expense of the character.

Ever notice how nearly all the work of somewhat respected creators goes down the drain once they start to buy into their own hype?

Reign (AKA the Obsession of Alexander, Reign the Conqueror, the show with all the guys in thongs) is quite good, but Peter Chung's character designs make it very disturbing to look at. Most people can't look past the designs and blame the entire show.
 
-Snow White really isn't that great. I know it's Disney's FIRST, and maybe the creators were focused more on the fact that it was the first fully-animated film, but... it's boring. I have tried several times to watch it, and not even halfway through I get bored or fall asleep.

-No matter what we think or say, if we are not the target demographic or there aren't enough of us, companies (such as Nick) just aren't going to care about us. So if we don't like iCarly and Zoey 101 and want more focus on animation, there's nothing we can do - we don't matter. If we think Danny Phantom should be renewed, there's little to be done about it.

-Martin Mystery, despite it's nothingspecialness and semi-weak anime-style art, is actually pretty addicting.

-Ren and Stimpy is crudely drawn and very gross. Not trying to make this "___ sucks!" but I never got into the hype, even as a kid. I didn't like the fart jokes or any of it. It baffled me.
 
Family Guy is a chore to watch now. American Dad is running circles around it.

Not every mecha anime after Evangelion is a knock-off. Just Rahxephon.

Codename Kids Next Door is finally coming to an end. And it couldn't come soon enough. Sheesh, it's like Tom Warburton is on a mission to kill decent American animation--Pepper Ann killed Saturday morning ten years ago, and now he's put KND on Cartoon Network to finish the job!

I implore the Writer's Guild to take all the time they need to settle things--anything that keeps Out of Jimmy's Head on the shelf where it BELONGS!!

Put Angry Beavers and Rocko's Modern Life on DVD and the world will be a happier place for it.

We need more female action characters that aren't hostage bait or don't spend half an episode knocked unconscious.

Is Spongebob canceled yet?

I hated The Little Mermaid and its TV spin-off.

Robot Chicken needs to get back to the pop culture riffing. No more pooping, farting, or references to cartoons that came out when I was four years old.

DIL KILLED RUGRATS!

I hated South Park since the day it came on. I like satire as much as the next person, but I don't want to sift through all the flatulence and excrement to get to it.

We need more kids-in-school cartoons that aren't just there to appease the PTA and shuck condescending life lessons to its audiences. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PAST TEN YEARS? TOO MANY, THAT'S HOW MANY!

How is it that overseas animators (Japanese, French, etc.) can do CGI animation SO MUCH FRIGGIN BETTER THAN WE DO IT!!!



Man, it felt good to let all that out. :anime:
 
I have never found FLCL to be in any way clever, funny nor innovative. Just bizarre.

ABC Family needs to die and become something else. It's completely unnecessary as a channel. I wish Fox Family could have stayed.

Static Shock was a better idea than it was show. Writing-wise, it was kind of lame and it became too socially conscious for it's own good. Plus, the WB execs suck for killing off Virgil's mother, Jean Hawkins, just so Virgil could go through a lot of angst. The WB should have respected Dwayne McDuffie's wishes and kept Jean alive on the show, like in the comics.
 
I've started seeing some bashing starting up, and I want to remind everyone that you are entitled to your opinion, but please keep it respectful of others. Saying "______ sucks!" is something that posts need to stay away from.
 
* The Simpsons has never been funny.

* King of the Hill started out great, but gradually lost quality after the first couple of seasons.

* Batman Beyond and Samurai Jack are two of the most over-rated animated series ever.

* The Incredibles is one of the most boring, uninteresting, and over-rated animated movies ever.
 
Some more:

Metalocalypse would be a better show if they would cut down on the death, gore and apocalyptic mumbo-jumbo and keep its' focus on the showbiz aspects of the series-about a mega-rich, mega-successful but mega-clueless heavy-metal band. Also if they had gotten to keep the shows' original title, Deathklok.

The Boondocks could use some strong female leads. (Or at least beef up the roles of the female characters they have now.) It's an OK show, but lately it's starting to become a boys' club.

The last 2 seasons of Super Friends: The Legendary Super Powers Show and Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians, were the best incarnations of the series. If Super Friends had been like those shows from the very start, it would have a been a much more satisfying viewing experience overall.

The iconic studio mascot characters, Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny, could be used as something other than corporate symbols and be given their own shorts and TV shows like their co-stars-it would just take some work and a collective change of thinking about them.

CN's new George of the Jungle show isn't great, but it has the potential to be good.
 
Griffith from "Berserk" is the single most evil villain to ever appear in animation. The fact that a lot of viewers don't want to think of him as evil speaks volumes as to just how charismatic and manipulative he was.
 
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I just finished watching this series, I haven't seen such an interesting and unusual female character like her-ever.



I think so too. That's one big thing I've noticed about the entertainment industry in general, female characters are very bland and uninteresting. I'm tired of females being portrayed as people who don't screw up--ever. They can't show any vulnerability or they're "always on top", oh and they have to be smarter than the male characters, that's a must. I know that this trend has arisen because of how they were portrayed before hand as hapless beings who need a big strong man to protect them, but now female characters all seem the same to me.
 
For the DCAU fanbase: I have never gotten all this unabashed worship and praise of the character The Question. Sure, he was funny, but I just don't get the big obsession with him.

Raven is easily THE most overrated character on Teen Titans, and the pedestals that her hardcore fans place her on are downright ludicrous. Too many Raven-heads yak on and on about how Raven is a) a goddess or b) the only good character on the show, neither of which is correct.
 
Wow. It's like you're reading my mind.

Funny that you said that first and a half-dozen of us chime in. Maybe we're not such a minority after all.

Anyway, I don't know if these are "minority" opinions, but I've gotten flack for some of these:

With the exception of South Park and small handful of other titles, most of what passes for "adult" animation in America is loaded with humor that is incredibly juvenile.

Mediocre animation does not ruin a cartoon, but lousy writing can undercut the best visuals.

Sturgeon's Law ("90% of everything is crap) is as true about animation as it is about everything else.

Studios that imitate the visual conventions of anime (i.e. Marathon Studios) are not "ripping off" anime; they are merely following the natural evolution of art by absorbing into one culture the influences of another.

Arguing over the "correct" English spelling of an anime character's name does not display your superior knowledge or loyalty. It merely makes you look like a jackass and displays your complete and utter ignorance of the Japanese language to the rest of us.

For that matter, you sub-snobs are NOT watching anime "the way it was meant to be seen". No Japanese animator in history has ever deliberatly intended for his work to be watched with an intermittent stream of words flashing across the bottom of the screen, distracting you from the visuals.

Anime is a beautiful thing. But if your love of anime blinds you to the quality of other nations' efforts (be it American or whatever), then you are an idiot.

The Incredibles is the only CGI animated film ever made that displays the signature style of its director. The rest are just committee-made cluster-****s of programmers trying to impress each other.

The Shrek franchise has become the very thing the first film parodied so pointedly. This will not stop the inevitable production of Shrek 4.
 
Way I see it, it's just part of a cycle American superhero comics have already been through- deconstruction, lots of cash-ins of deconstruction, then reconstruction. Nothing more. In that viewpoint...

Ideon- Squadron Supreme.

Evangelion- Watchmen (Not in quality, just premise)

All the EVA Ripoffs- See anything Rob Liefeld wrote during the early 90's.

GaoGaiGar- Astro City

Gravion- ...Dark Knight Strikes Back.

Gurren Lagann- Supreme. (The same people that made the genre deconstruction now completing the circle)
 
Here's mine. Probably may be a little rude.
  • Avatar: The Last Airbender is a cliched mess and deserves little to none of the respect you all give it.
  • Pixar is hands down the single most overrated animation company out right now, if not ever.
  • None of the cast of Naruto embody the way of a ninja, nor good entertainment.
  • Code Lyoko is completely unwatchable.
  • Teen Titans, The Batman, and Legion of Super Heroes are not only all unenjoyable, but shouldn't be a part of the DCAU board and discussed here.
 
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