Men more likely to die of broken heart

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The first source doesn't address the argument you've chosen to take up, it makes no reference to the reasons for the murders, so none of the content can be used to prove or disprove the point about men being more prone to murdering children when 'dumped'.

The second source whilst addressing violence in women, again doesn't address the point being argued.

The third source is far more interesting in that it addresses the specific subject, even if it is in places very vague about the reasoning for the womans actions, but it contains no comparative data for men, and so no conclusion can be drawn about whether men are more likely to commit such acts when 'dumped'.

clocker said:
There are two examples- both from the same day even- of behaviour that you claim women don't exhibit.
For every high profile case you find of a father killing his children, I'll bet I can find a matching one involving the mother...after all, the numbers back me up.
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I think you'll find she never claimed that women didn't do it, she claimed that men were more likely too, and they are two different arguments.

What numbers ? You've yet to produce any numbers, and to be frank quoting a news report about a mother killing her entire family, including the husband, hardly supports any argument about whether men are more likely to kill children when 'dumped'.
 
Sorry :dry:

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When you said...
Squeamous said:
They're also more likely to take their kids to their graves with them when they get dumped. This is on account of them being more prone to ego-driven acts of irrationality. When it comes to emotional susceptibility to external influence I think they're the weaker sex.
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...I started looking for information to back up the assertion.
The only stats I could find showed that men and women are equally predisposed to kill their children but did not differentiate further as to motive.
Obviously, you are privy to more detailed information...care to share?
 
LONDON:... Doctors have long understood the impact of grief on one's health. Now, a new study has revealed how fragile a broken heart can really be.

Researchers in Britain have found that bereft people face the risk of death in the first year of being widowed.

In fact, men are six times more likely to die of a broken heart than women.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Men_more_likely_to_die_of_broken_heart/articleshow/2925457.cms
i just copied it from an other forum... HEARTLESS WOMEN :P
 
Squeamous said:
They're also more likely to take their kids to their graves with them when they get dumped. This is on account of them being more prone to ego-driven acts of irrationality. When it comes to emotional susceptibility to external influence I think they're the weaker sex.
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I blame society. Seriously.

In the schools I went to as I grew up, you were in serious fucking trouble if you showed much emotion, like, and in even more trouble if you pointed out that whatever the fuck someone did to you wasn't all that fun.

You were supposed to be all like "Oh, you set me hand on fire using hairspray [ :ghey: ] and some matches while your mates held me down. How rare, haha". If you didn't bottle it all up, they'd set something else on fire, like. And heaven forbid you should tell anyone about it, like.

Always felt like shit telling my parents about that kind of thing too, 'cos I could tell they were worried I couldn't make it in the real world 'cos I was too sensitive, or so I thought.

When I was around 18 I'd been suppressing my feelings to the point where I didn't feel strongly about much at all, and that lasted until I was 20-ish.

I had a bit of a breakdown, eventually, and a change of personality, like. But if I'd kept on being that way, I can totally see myself going mental 'cos I couldn't handle a breakup or whatever.


I reckon it had been acceptable in a whole other way to feel bad about whatever, had I been a girl, like. It's still a fact that men really can't allow themselves to feel the same way women can, or to discuss their feelings the same way women take for granted, and still fit in. Not always and everywhere, anyway.
 
yeah thats me the old lonely old f#^K who because had a nasty dissposition early in life screwed up the good relationships now im down to the cheap 5 dollah hoes ...doooh i didnt just type that did i
 
clocker said:
When you said...

...I started looking for information to back up the assertion.
The only stats I could find showed that men and women are equally predisposed to kill their children but did not differentiate further as to motive.
Obviously, you are privy to more detailed information...care to share?
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*sigh*

I quite clearly said that men are more predisposed to killing their children over matters of the heart, NOT that they were more predisposed to killing them than women full stop, which in your haste to find figures to claim otherwise you neglected to notice even though you just quoted me twice.

Your figures, as US-centric as they are, actually show a very slightly greater number of men doing it than women in a narrow age range of the under 5s. Exactly what the significance of that age is is beyond me. Where did you get them from, pisspoorstats.com?

If you want to talk about who kills who in broad terms we can talk about how men commit vastly more murders than women throughout all walks of life and age ranges. Or rather, we could if I felt inclined to. Which I don't.
 
"Sigh", indeed.

This makes twice now that you have failed to provide any proof whatsoever to back up your broadly sweeping statements.

"Men are more likely to kill their children when they're dumped" due to "being more prone to ego-driven acts of irrationality".

Did you really think you could throw out something that controversial without being called on it?

Pisspoorstats.com> Hissyfit.com.
 
manicgeek said:
I think you'll find she never claimed that women didn't do it, she claimed that men were more likely too, and they are two different arguments.
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A "claim" that Squeamous has yet to produce a single source of proof for outside of a incident on the news and her prodigious memory. Which is apparently sufficient for you.

Funny thing, despite statistical evidence showing that women and men kill children at the same rate (or that women kill children more often, depending on the criteria applied), not one study I could find delved into the motives behind the crimes ("I was dumped!")

So I guess this is one of those "Oh, everybody knows that" sort of claims, eh?
 
I think it's a biological thing. We're not that far evolved really. It was only 20,000 years ago we were settling down in fixed communities. Women were required to fabricate social cohesion while the men provided the hardware for it. The role of women was more sophisticated and as such when they decided to spread out into the role of men they adapted far better than the other way around.
 
Only you didn't call me on it did you? You tried to but failed.

Do you seriously doubt my quote? When was the last time you heard of a woman killing herself after being dumped and taking her children with her? In the last 6 months I've seen two cases in the news here in the UK, both men, of this sort of crime, both of which sought to seek revenge on their partner by killing their children. Those are two off the top of my head and there have been many more in the media prior. Women don't have the same capacity for violent self pity that men do.
 
It's exactly the same for girls Snee. Girls suffer probably more mental torture from other girls than boys do as well as the physical violence, and yet the rates of suicide in young males are much higher than females and have been going up despite being touchy feely about emotions becoming more and more acceptable.

I think the male psyche just has a hard time dealing with the modern world.
 
I thought we were having a discussion not an argument.

The reason I wrote it was "apparently sufficient" for you is due to the fact that you haven't asked Squeamous to meet the standards you applied to me.
Your participation thus far has been to declare my data as irrelevant while allowing S. the luxury of providing no supporting data at all.

You can see why I made the assumption, maybe?
 
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