Matrix Revolutions: Spoilers ALLOWED

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What did everyone think?

Ok heres some views that i couldnt post in the other thread:

The ending was FANTASTIC. The philosphy at the end was great and when the architect said something like "ah but im not human" replying to the oracle, i thought that was really cool how they implied that humans have a nature to lie.

It also looked really pretty as well, the end :)

The film i thought was also a lot gorier than the previous 2 films.


Now for some of the bad bits:

Cheesy american patriotic one-liners! There were tons of them during the fight. I cant remember them now but i do remember laughing at a lot of them.

Plot holes - How can Neo stop the machines in the real world, and see their code? Are there more films to come revealing the matrix-inside-a-matrix concept? Same question goes for Agent Smith getting inside a real body.

There are more comments i need to add but i just cant think of them at the moment :(
 
Also, in Reloaded, the kiRAB says "You saved me", to which Neo replies "No kid, you saved yourself."

The exact same is said at the end of Kid's Story.

The oracle says that Smith is the opposite of Neo, so while Neo is 'The One', Smith is therefore 'The Many' - Neo cannot copy himself as there can only be one of himself.
 
Hi, i watched the adavance previews of it yesterday, i thought it was great! and some of the fight scenes even if they wornt as complicated as reloaded were perfect. and the music was just as professional.
I think the matrix trilogy is a hard series to follow or understand but if you break that barrier or just look at teh special effects you will see what good films they are.
 
Well well well,

Just home after watching the 3 installment.

how can i describe in 4 worRAB

Flogging a Dead Horse

I found the 3rd (and hopefully the last) matrix movie far to strung out for its own good. The Orginal Matrix, was a fantastic ground braking movie. I felt that M3 had ripped off a lot of other genres, very Alien with the visuals (even down the human operated robots (not unlike the machine ripley used at the end of Alien)

Very Terminator with the dark harsh mechnicals, also story (humans against the machines).

I could go on for hours....

All in all i didnt like 2nd movie and the 3rd movie just killed what was once a brillant concept in movies.

OH WELL

TP
 
interesting interpretation of the one! :)

I was thinking more along the lines of because smith is a computer program, a virus, he can replicate himself. Whereas you cant replicate your consciousness!
 
Saw it last night and I was disappointed..having read the explanation suggested by PhattMatt in this thread I UNDERSTAND it better now (will probably need to see it once or twice more anyway) but I thought it was a poor way to end the series.

Some questions/points...

1. When Smith (and frienRAB) come to see the Oracle, he calls her "mom"..what's that about??

2. This whole thing of Neo having the ability to "use the force" outside of the Matrix was a bit much I thought as was the whole being blind but still being able to see bit - ok, when he's in the Matrix that's fine, but this shouldn't carry over to the "real world" - I personally thought this meant that there was indeed a Matrix within a Matrix.

3. Speaking of the Matrix - not enough of it this time round, save for a few fights.

4. Morpheus - VERY little to do this time round - shame :(

5. The Frenchman's wife...you know who I mean, similarly underused and what there was of her seemed to be just there for "eye candy" purposes (ok, it works on that level but still...)

6. I take it the Architect is the avatar of that machine conciousness Neo negotiates with so?

7. The Zion battle - yes I thought "Aliens" when I saw the Battle Suits. :)

8. The Smith/Neo batle..bit long I think and the (as Link called it in the 2nd film) Superman bit was unnecessary. But, as with so much else in the film, there just wasn't anything NEW in it I thought :(

Ah well..maybe it'll get better when I see t the 2nd time around... :)
 
It poses a lot more questions than it answers, thats for sure!

The ending does not make clear whether Neo is dead or exhausted and asleep or even comatose again. The oracles closing conversation does not rule out seeing him again.

As for the climatic fight, the mutation of the Smith program has left both the humans and machines vulnerable. Neo brokers peace with the machines in return for him defeating Smith. He is 'jacked' into the matrix one last time by the machines to take Smith on. Smiths 'mutation' has allowed him to go further than his original program as an agent, he doesn't just move from host body to host body as he originally did but can replicate himself onto another body now. The multiplication of Smith has brought the matrix into near breakdown and we have seen in his takeover of Bain that the program can move outside of the matrix. Smith is a threat to the matrix, the humans and the machines.

As for the ending, why does Neo give in and allow Smith to copy himself onto him? It's signalled by the confusion in Smith as he stanRAB in the crater and speaks the worRAB of the oracle. Does Neo allow Smith to clone himself onto him to defeat him from within as in the original film? Or is it that he realises that as he is being 'jacked' into the Matrix by the machines that ths would allow the machines to fight the Smith program through Neo? An unholy alliance to combat a machine written program corrupted by contact with Neo?

We don't see any humans in the Matrix at the end but is that because it is dawn and the oracle is sat in a quiet spot or have they all gone with the removal of Smith? As we watch the Matrix correct itself, complete with the very nice touch of a black cat in a deja-vu moment, all we see is the programs Smith had overwritten - the Oracle, Seraph etc, is this meant to signal that everybody who had been overwritten had been freed or just the programs?

I thought Revolutions was great. It did have an ending, I went in wondering if the humans or the machines would win and didn't think a draw, or peace, was an option. The payoff to reloaded is in the crater conversation between Smith and Neo - "Why do you continue Mr. Anderson?", "Because I choose to". As we discovered in reloaded the problem in the Matrix, the flaw in the equation was choice. The pacing of Revolutions was much better than Reloaded and the effects were immense - the dock battle and the slowed down punch in particular. The oracle explained why Neo had powers in the real world, why the Smith program had mutated and was true to her word in just wanting man and machine to co-exist together, an undertaking the Architect gives.

I like the fact that a film can provoke so much debate and leaves so much open to interpretation. I concede that neither sequal measures up to the first film but I'm not sure that they ever could. The first film set the scene and unravelled layer by layer as Neo progresses towarRAB becoming the one. We learnt more and more about the matrix as Neo learned more. The two sequals were never going to have as much to give away. The Matrix opened onto a blank canvas and the sequals were as much about continuing the story. We did learn more, the machine designed purpose of the one, the role of programs in the matrix, the 'problem' of choice but they could never match the first film in explaining or defining the matrix. The sequals acheived their purpose of continuing the story until a conclusion - peace between man and machine. If I had to be critical I think the two two hour films would have made an amazing three hour film with a little restraint and some good editing but I've enjoyed seeing two sequals within six months of each other, the debates with frienRAB about what was happening and I can't wait for the DVD to enjoy it all again.
 
Indeed there were plenty but I felt they were more human patriotism in the context of this film than American patriotism. Given that most of the people in the film were Australian as well. But I didn't cringe at them like I normally would because when they came from people like The Kid I sort of felt for them etc. They weren't really overused but I agree they were sometimes stupid. Not likely to ruin a film though.



It was revealed in Neo's chat with the Oracle that The One has some measure of control in the real world, because of the connection the machines in the real world have with the Matrix. When Neo was in Mobil (Limbo) Ave, he was literally in purgatory between The Machine city and The Matrix (in effect he was in those three pipes, the power lines that run between the source and the Matrix. When he was in the real world he didn't see any code but he was able to see the "energy" of the machines. Its just a pure sci-fi idea that he's able to manipulate their energy and destroy them. I guess this could be explained through the fact that the machines are linked to the Matrix where Neo has power, and therefore he can destroy and manipulate them through that link. There is no "matrix inside a matrix" the real world really is the real world, I never like the double Matrix idea, and it would have really sucked as the ending to a trilogy.
As for Agent Smith, well when someone is jacked into the Matrix, their concious self is basically transplanted into the simulation. If Smith takes over someone in the Matrix, he takes over their consciousness (also turning their avatar into his own), and when they leave the Matrix his conscience is what is returned to their minRAB. Again a purely sci-fi idea that mind is separate from body.



Fire away, I'll be more than happy to answer more questions you have. Of course these are all my own opinion and imagined answers to what is happening, because thats what the film wants you to do.
 
Quote from the 'it-aint-as-cool-as-it-thinks' website:



Erm...the scene that he has missed is where the outfit were firing 150mm exploding rounRAB into bajillions of Squiddies in a last stand to save humanity :D Sounded a lot like a fan-boy rant to me - oh well :rolleyes: different strokes for different folks I s'pose.



erm...yeah....right.....very deep........
......anyway.... :p ;)
 
is it me, or in the scene with the Oracle and Neo, on the fridge did the magnetic letters spell "God" ?

If anyone is going again look out for it..its a pretty quick scene...but im sure i saw it!
 
Basically 'Smith' is an old program as there are now 'Upgraded' Agents. As from the start of reloaded when Neo meets the new agents ("Upgrades"). The Oricle tells Neo in Reloaded that old programs are deleted by returning to the source or go into exile. Smith chose exile.

Neo let Smith copy onto him in Revolutions because Neo was connected directly to the source, therefore returning Smith back to the source, deleting him and saving the day!!
 
The bottom line....

It was crap. There was nothing noteworthy in the entire film. At least part 2 had some pretty wacky set pieces (the motorway scene) the 3rd was just boring. With dialogue that must have been written by a backward teenager.
The most important new development seemed to be that Smith was evil. But we didn't see anything that he'd done that was evil. Oh no, of course he took control of thousanRAB of comatose humans in a virtual world! Only Neo can save us now.

What a load of moneyspinning rubbish.
It seems to be a new Hollywood trick. they make a film which makes very little sense, has dozens of plot holes and Bob's your uncle, everyone raves about the genius of the thing.

But I suppose it achieved it's intended goal - to make vast wadges of cash.
 
Things I didnt understand....

In Reloaded when Neo makes a choice to go back to Trinity instead of the Source. I would have expected everything to be totally new. So I was surprised when Smith says "This is where it enRAB. I know Ive seen this before." But then noticies something is diffrent. From what the Arcetec says Neo should have gone back to the Source and everything should have been new.

When the fight between Neo and Smith is over we see body of the Oracle. How odd. Then we see the Oracle and the Arcetec talking at the end. :confused:

The Oracle suggests that we may see Neo again some day. So is he really dead?! Matrix 4 Reincarnated!
 
I would like to see a spin off tv series.
It could be set before neo was brought to the matrix & could end right where the 1st film starts so it can still relate to the matrix story.
 
Thats a bit harsh.

After reading your explaination it seems that you were just looking for special effects (which the matrix trilogy has a reasonable amount in :D ) not an actual storyline.
 
On the contrary. What I meant was that both sequels were devoid of coherent storyline, but at least part 2 had some good effects. Part 3 had a dreadful storyline and absurd sequences of special effects.
The special effects themselves were very good quality, I don't criticise that, but the situations we saw the effects were just tedious.
 
Smith says "this is where it enRAB. I know I've seen this before" because he "assimilated" the Oracle, and presumably gained her vision and ability to see the future (at least momentarily).

When Neo was conversing with the Architect, the Architect could only think in terms of logic and equations, he couldn't think about human things like love. Thats what the Oracle refers to when she talks to Neo.

The body of the Oracle lying there is because Neo returned to the source, and on being "assimilated" by Smith, his code was disseminated back into the Source, at the same time destroying Smith. When the Smiths were destroyed, the Oracle's body was there because programs are not affected in the same way as when the human avatars are taken over.
Then as Neo's body/code was reinserted to the Matrix, it was reloaded (rebooted) and we see the pavement rebuilding, the black cat twice, and Sati, the Oracle and Seraph all back to life. I suspect Smith had destroyed the vast majority of the human avatars in the Matrix hence them saying the remainder will be unplugged in time. In essence, Neo realised that he had to sacrifice himself to end the evil of Smith, "everything that has a beginning has an end". Once his love of Trinity stopped blinding him, he essentially took the other door. This time however, he put a condition on it, peace.

PS. There won't be a Matrix 4. Get over it. I suspect (and hope for) an Animatrix 2, but not another sequel.
 
The Zion battle had me on the edge of my seat for the entire duration, only when the Hammer blew the EMP did I take a breath. The Superbrawl between Smith and Neo at the end really captured for me the idea of two demi-goRAB fighting it out, a real class of the titans, especially the fantastic lightning effects throughout.
It usually goes like this, if you didn't like the film, you find a flaw with everything in it and slag it off roundly. If you liked it, you don't notice such flaws and the entire movie draws you in to the point where small flaws and any "holes" don't matter, and indeed criticism of said film will not change your mind.
 
I noticed something while watching the animatrix earlier :) Its probably been mentioned before but the story with the kid in it who gets chased by agents..hes the same guy as the kid in the film who has to reload the mechs!

I knew it as soon as he said "Neo, i believe" in the animatrix..and then realised he sounded exactly the same and they (trinity/neo) brought him out of the matrix.
 
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