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Raven Faust
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Have just finished the first two series on DVD - series 3 awaits!
Caught up with the second episode tonight and I love the fact that MM is "slow", every iconic programme has a particular style and approach and I reckon MM has the potential to be a landmark series.
Petes the star of the show, the performance of Vincent Kartheiser is superb, he's the one who should picking up the gongs.
Petes the star of the show, the performance of Vincent Kartheiser is superb, he's the one who should picking up the gongs.
Agree with everything which has been said about this weeks episode. It was wonderful.
I now want to know all kinRAB of things.
I want to know exactly what happened in Don's childhood to make him want to leave it behind so totally.
I want to know if Peggy is pregnant.
I want to know what will happen about Don's marriage and his relationship with Rachel.
I want to know what will happen to Salvatore.
I want to know if Pete will have the cheek to try to worm his way around Don.
I also loved the look on Joan's face after the kiss and from the look on one of the guys faces as he watched I don't think that she was the only one who had a pretty good idea. (Can't remember who it was.
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Yay for the fact that there's a second series. We are going to need more than one more to sort out this little lot.
No wonder Don didn't quite convince as a young soldier. He's a real grown up man if ever I saw one. Loved the young boy though- he was the absolute image of the older guy who played Don's brother.
Can't believe there is only one more.
I may have to buy the DVD's and I hardly ever do that.
I now want to know all kinRAB of things.
I want to know exactly what happened in Don's childhood to make him want to leave it behind so totally.
I want to know if Peggy is pregnant.
I want to know what will happen about Don's marriage and his relationship with Rachel.
I want to know what will happen to Salvatore.
I want to know if Pete will have the cheek to try to worm his way around Don.
I also loved the look on Joan's face after the kiss and from the look on one of the guys faces as he watched I don't think that she was the only one who had a pretty good idea. (Can't remember who it was.
) Yay for the fact that there's a second series. We are going to need more than one more to sort out this little lot.
No wonder Don didn't quite convince as a young soldier. He's a real grown up man if ever I saw one. Loved the young boy though- he was the absolute image of the older guy who played Don's brother.
Can't believe there is only one more.
I may have to buy the DVD's and I hardly ever do that.Interesting how much time was spent on Jane in this episode. She showed herself to be a skilled manipulator of men -- daring them to sneak into the boss's office, then winding Roger round her little finger, and claiming "they made me" when asked about the after-hours visit to see the picture -- but manipulating men is one thing, beating Joan at her own game is something else. On the other hand, Joan has indicated to Roger that she's moving on (engaged etc.), so Jane could cultivate him as a powerful ally if she pitches herself as a potential replacement for Joan in his love life.
Altogether a great episode with complex, subtle revelations about several characters/relationships, and culminating in Betty vomiting in the new car -- which took me by surprise!
Altogether a great episode with complex, subtle revelations about several characters/relationships, and culminating in Betty vomiting in the new car -- which took me by surprise!
Rebelled Devils
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I just loved having this show back .....
So many unanswered questions ..... so many reasons to keep watching
Don looks as though he might be going to loose his wife as he doesn't seem to be attracted to her - but she is now tempted by the idea of sex ..... the end of the first series showed her to be deeper than we had first thought - I hope there is a good story line lined up for her
Roll on next week ....
Why is it so hidden away on BBC4?
So many unanswered questions ..... so many reasons to keep watching
Don looks as though he might be going to loose his wife as he doesn't seem to be attracted to her - but she is now tempted by the idea of sex ..... the end of the first series showed her to be deeper than we had first thought - I hope there is a good story line lined up for her
Roll on next week ....
Why is it so hidden away on BBC4?
Nina Cullen
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Warning - if you watch Mad Men via iPlayer, don't click on the link to next week's episode - there is a rampant spoiler and I am VERY peed off about it 
mrsix12346
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I'm afraid Duck blew it with me when he kicked the dog out onto the street. He'll have to go some to recover from that. We haven't really seen his story yet. It would be interesting if we do.
livedieyoung
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Didn't she have a coil fitted in ep1?
Would be interesting to see Weaselly Pete's reaction if she was preggers, but I think it may be weight gain in reaction to something else going on in her head, judging by her outburst the last episode.
Would be interesting to see Weaselly Pete's reaction if she was preggers, but I think it may be weight gain in reaction to something else going on in her head, judging by her outburst the last episode.
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Brix L
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i think the actress plays her beautifully but i dont like the character,mainly because i cant work her out,i cant tell if shes nice or not but her shooting those birRAB put me right off also i dont know if its just because it was the era but she was very snobby to that single mother she babysat for,she seems very cold.
Should we be keeping a list of Don's conquests after his grope and tickle with his Secretary on the couch last night?
Bets
Artist
Rachel
Sally's teacher
Prostitute
Secretary
Are the writers becoming a bit blaze about all this humping - last night they simply adjusted appropriate pieces of clothing and thanks very much!
Slightly more seriously, I though that the scene where Don and his Secretary talked the following morning was excruciating and brilliantly acted.
The look on her face when she returned to the typwriter was gut-wrenching.
I absolutely love the actress who plays Sally as well as her character. What a kid.
And that Glen. What a strange one he is.
I've trashed your house with food, but to show you how much I like you, I haven't smothered molasses over your bed!
Betsy may come to regret giving him a lock of her hair.
Excellent programme on BBC4 after MM on the UK Ad men.
Peter Marsh and Tim Bell are my absolute winners of the smuggest and most nauseating personalities of the week.
No, of the last 30 years.
'What a laugh we had with all that stuff we got away with'
What? Like becoming a Lord?
While a messenger for a film production company in the late 70's, I delivered a film can with a VHS edit of an ad which was part of British Rail's 'Have a good trip' campaign to ad agency Allen Brady and Marsh..
Surprisingly the ad exec who I delived it to asked me what I thought of it! It was a bit like asking the T boy his opinion of the ratio of on balance sheet to off balance sheet items for a FTSE 100 client. I muttered something or other.
A few yars later, I had become a middle manager in a big multi national company's marketing department.
Wonder what the ABM ad exec might have thought if I'd somehow been able to stretch out and grasp from the future some of my marketing knowledge and bring it back into his office when he was showing me the VHS in my jeans and t-shirt;
'What do YOU think, messenger boy?'
'I'll tell you, Mr Ad man. But only when you've described your target audience and campaign objectives'
Bets
Artist
Rachel
Sally's teacher
Prostitute
Secretary
Are the writers becoming a bit blaze about all this humping - last night they simply adjusted appropriate pieces of clothing and thanks very much!
Slightly more seriously, I though that the scene where Don and his Secretary talked the following morning was excruciating and brilliantly acted.
The look on her face when she returned to the typwriter was gut-wrenching.
I absolutely love the actress who plays Sally as well as her character. What a kid.
And that Glen. What a strange one he is.
I've trashed your house with food, but to show you how much I like you, I haven't smothered molasses over your bed!
Betsy may come to regret giving him a lock of her hair.
Excellent programme on BBC4 after MM on the UK Ad men.
Peter Marsh and Tim Bell are my absolute winners of the smuggest and most nauseating personalities of the week.
No, of the last 30 years.
'What a laugh we had with all that stuff we got away with'
What? Like becoming a Lord?
While a messenger for a film production company in the late 70's, I delivered a film can with a VHS edit of an ad which was part of British Rail's 'Have a good trip' campaign to ad agency Allen Brady and Marsh..
Surprisingly the ad exec who I delived it to asked me what I thought of it! It was a bit like asking the T boy his opinion of the ratio of on balance sheet to off balance sheet items for a FTSE 100 client. I muttered something or other.
A few yars later, I had become a middle manager in a big multi national company's marketing department.
Wonder what the ABM ad exec might have thought if I'd somehow been able to stretch out and grasp from the future some of my marketing knowledge and bring it back into his office when he was showing me the VHS in my jeans and t-shirt;
'What do YOU think, messenger boy?'
'I'll tell you, Mr Ad man. But only when you've described your target audience and campaign objectives'
Sadly very poor cardboard cutout stereotype Brits too in a series where everyone else appears to be so minutely drawn.
The most famous and most successful creative adman in New York in the 1950s and early 1960s was a Brit - David Ogilvy who had founded Ogilvy, Benson and Mather, later O&M, backed by the even more creative London agency Benson's. He could knock Don Draper into a cocked hat. He was a very cool guy, one of the very few admen still known by name today. They certainly haven't drawn on him for a pen portrait.
You have to think that this series is set when Sean Connery was already playing James Bond and the Beatles were about to emerge, yet the Brits are portrayed as if they were very stuffy members of the royal household. The wife would not have been remotely snooty about moving to early 1960s New York City, it would have been incredibly glamorous and rich by comparison and she would have been in her element. A few laters Swinging London would be the hipper place to be but not then.
The most famous and most successful creative adman in New York in the 1950s and early 1960s was a Brit - David Ogilvy who had founded Ogilvy, Benson and Mather, later O&M, backed by the even more creative London agency Benson's. He could knock Don Draper into a cocked hat. He was a very cool guy, one of the very few admen still known by name today. They certainly haven't drawn on him for a pen portrait.
You have to think that this series is set when Sean Connery was already playing James Bond and the Beatles were about to emerge, yet the Brits are portrayed as if they were very stuffy members of the royal household. The wife would not have been remotely snooty about moving to early 1960s New York City, it would have been incredibly glamorous and rich by comparison and she would have been in her element. A few laters Swinging London would be the hipper place to be but not then.
I was surprised (OK, and upset) when, near the end of Series 2, Bert Cooper (?) said "I don't trust the Brits" It didn't auger well. Fortunately I do trust Mad Men's writers so I picked myself up, dusted myself down, etc.
Series 3 = So far, so bad, as far as the Brit characters are concerned, but we shall see
I'm growing a thick skin because I still love Mad Men and can't miss it.
parthena
It didn't auger well. Fortunately I do trust Mad Men's writers so I picked myself up, dusted myself down, etc.Series 3 = So far, so bad, as far as the Brit characters are concerned, but we shall see
I'm growing a thick skin because I still love Mad Men and can't miss it.
parthena
threesevens
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I am not surprised that most people disagree with me about Pete, I have read good reviews about Kartheiser's acting. I will make another attempt to explain what I think is wrong with his performance.
Perhaps what jars with me is that Pete should be a supremely confident and arrogant chap. That is what the character's background tells us, as well as the script of each episode. However, as some have pointed out, as played by Kartheiser he is insecure and with a chip on his shoulder. Why is he insecure? Where does the chip on the shoulder come from? He was born into a very wealthy family and has had every advantage in life. If you listen to the worRAB he has to say then you should agree that he is written as someone who is very confident and determined. He gives no quarter when looking out for himself - but is played as if it were he who came from the poor family having to strive for everything against great odRAB. To use an analogy that somewhat dates me I think that Pete is written as a young JR Ewing but played as a young Cliff Barnes.
Perhaps what jars with me is that Pete should be a supremely confident and arrogant chap. That is what the character's background tells us, as well as the script of each episode. However, as some have pointed out, as played by Kartheiser he is insecure and with a chip on his shoulder. Why is he insecure? Where does the chip on the shoulder come from? He was born into a very wealthy family and has had every advantage in life. If you listen to the worRAB he has to say then you should agree that he is written as someone who is very confident and determined. He gives no quarter when looking out for himself - but is played as if it were he who came from the poor family having to strive for everything against great odRAB. To use an analogy that somewhat dates me I think that Pete is written as a young JR Ewing but played as a young Cliff Barnes.